Posted on 05/01/2015 11:05:57 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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No. It was established much later. I am a Catholic but I think Jesus today would find our Church very bureaucratic and not unlike the Roman rule He lived under.
No.
The first reformers called the papacy the seat of Antichrist,
The first reformers called the popes Antichrist.
Now, even reformers set their work and worship schedules with a roman calendar named for a pope.
Wonder what Luther would have said about Antichrist having a calendar that the world uses 500 years later..
I offer the thought that perhaps a strong, central directional force was vital to the preservation of Holy Scripture and thus the success of Christianity as THE religion of the West. After it wasn't vital, the Reformers had Christianity to reform, did they not? Interestingly enough, while there was ... and is ... scant dogmatic difference between the Romans and the Greeks ... the more diffusely organized Orthodox had not the need to undergo such a drastic international Reform, as did the highly centralized, bureaucratically organized Romans.
Also bear in mind that while the Reformers reformed, so did the Roman Catholic Church ... for better or worse. The central question is and always was, "Can a Roman Catholic who acknowledges the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome be saved through Faith, just like a Calvinist, or a snake-fondling Appalachian Evangelical Disciple?"
I say, "Why yes, of course!" However, I would be very happy to discuss with you until the cows come home, whether it would be more,or less difficult for the Catholic, or whether or not the Roman Catholic Church helped or hindered.
OTOH, though far from a Roman, I maintain that to consider the Church that was more or less the 'only Christian game in town' for 1300 years is not Christian, is quite obtuse.
In a word, after reading several version of ‘the book’, NO.
well now, I may have to pop up some good popcorn this evening and settle in to read what happens this afternoon on THIS thread.
Save me a seat, I’ll be back as soon as I can!
“The Roman Catholic church claims the papcy as its foundation”
Wrong ...the Roman Catholic church claims Christ as its foundation...
I stopped reading right there as all else is suspect in this article...if the author can’t get the basic premise correct
I thought the RCC claimed Peter as its foundation (”And upon this rock I will build my church...”).
“The first reformers called the papacy the seat of Antichrist,
The first reformers called the popes Antichrist”
The first reformers weren’t necessarily correct about everything. I’m thankful that they helped liberate us from a pope, but not thankful enough to set them up as replacement popes :)
I think I have an extra ‘face shield’ to protect against the spittle coming.
BTW, has anyone ever done a movie on Pope Innocent III?
Nothin' namby-pamby about that guy! However, I think you should see the BBC "Borgias" to get in the right historical context.
Part 2: Was The Baptist Convention Established By Christ?
Then there is the Catholic rendition of ...."And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, ...Foundation
and then there is the oft heard
"the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
Nope my friend...Rome teaches it was founded on Peter
Wrong ...the Roman Catholic church claims Christ as its foundation...
I stopped reading right there as all else is suspect in this article...if the author can’t get the basic premise correct
Looking for foundation of the Catholic church, Peter was mentioned repeatedly by the early church fathers. I stopped after only a few, because the number of examples is legion.
"Simon [Peter] ... was set apart to be the foundation of the Church" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).
[Simon Peter said to Simon Magus in Rome:] ‘For you now stand in direct opposition to me, who am a firm rock, the foundation of the Church’" (Clementine Homilies 17:19 [A.D. 221]).
Look at [Peter], the great foundation of the Church (Homilies on Exodus 5:4 [A.D. 248]).
"[Jesus said:] ‘Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the holy Church." Ephraim the Syrian (Homilies 4:1 [A.D. 351]).
"[Christ] made answer: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church. ... thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church" Ambrose of Milan (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]).
"Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome], said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, ..." Council of Ephesus (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]).
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