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To: bike800
“The Roman Catholic church claims the papcy as its foundation”

Wrong ...the Roman Catholic church claims Christ as its foundation...

I stopped reading right there as all else is suspect in this article...if the author can’t get the basic premise correct

Looking for foundation of the Catholic church, Peter was mentioned repeatedly by the early church fathers. I stopped after only a few, because the number of examples is legion.

"Simon [Peter] ... was set apart to be the foundation of the Church" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).

[Simon Peter said to Simon Magus in Rome:] ‘For you now stand in direct opposition to me, who am a firm rock, the foundation of the Church’" (Clementine Homilies 17:19 [A.D. 221]).

Look at [Peter], the great foundation of the Church (Homilies on Exodus 5:4 [A.D. 248]).

"[Jesus said:] ‘Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the holy Church." Ephraim the Syrian (Homilies 4:1 [A.D. 351]).

"[Christ] made answer: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church. ... thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church" Ambrose of Milan (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]).

"Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome], said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, ..." Council of Ephesus (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]).

20 posted on 05/01/2015 12:20:04 PM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin
You posted, "[Simon Peter said to Simon Magus in Rome:] ‘For you now stand in direct opposition to me, who am a firm rock, the foundation of the Church’" (Clementine Homilies 17:19 [A.D. 221])."

Um, could you show me where Clementine found the details to which he alluded as having been said by Peter? ... It appears that Clementine 'interpreted' (added to might be a better way to say it) what is given in Acts 8 as if it supports a Catholic doctrine rather than precisely what is recorded in Acts.

22 posted on 05/01/2015 12:47:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Tao Yin

Catholic data shows the Catholic Church also asserted that The Profession of Peter to The Lord is the foundation of Christ’s Church. So, are there two churches here?


24 posted on 05/01/2015 12:49:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Tao Yin

Maybe I am mincing words...but the church has always regarded Christ as the foundation of the church...Peter was the apostle that he chose to lead after he ascended into heaven...and since the practice of choosing a successor to Peter began...it seems that the earliest Christians had the same belief...my 2 cents


53 posted on 05/02/2015 6:43:59 AM PDT by bike800
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