Posted on 09/02/2014 5:23:49 PM PDT by HarleyD
Which bears no resemblance to what you originally said.
“There goes the need for that crucifixion thing and the resurrection!”
The Rootsians, as I call them, do not grant this consequence! We are surrounded by error, but it all has the same result in a slander against the necessity of Christ’s incarnation/death/burial/bodily resurrection, as well as His finished work.
Grace is a free gift from God. No man is worthy of it.
Why do you project that those of us who are not under the law are lead away from the law???
Those who are under the law are in fear...They follow the law in fear...A debt has to be paid...
We on the other hand try to be obedient out of love...Love for God...Without any fear of failure...
Yup!
We are saved by grace through faith. The word (and law) is our workbook for sanctification. We aren't saved by sanctification but sanctification is evidence of our salvation. If a person does not want to be sanctified, then he hasn't been saved. It isn't HOW we were saved but what we were saved FOR. It should be our DESIRE to be holy and this comes from the word and the law.
2Co_7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.
God called us to holiness. That doesn't mean were suppose to stop playing cards or give up PG-13 movies. But it does mean something.
No one has been saved yet.
The saving grace will only be for those who were truly in him, and it will be at the last trump, just as Yeshua clearly stated.
Those that found excuses for rejecting his loving commandments, will hear the words of Matthew 7:23 at the Great White Throne.
Yeshua told us that only the few would find his narrow gate, those that truly sought it.
This has nothing to do with Card games, nor what sort of beverage we imbibe, but how we fed his sheep, and how we kept his commandments holy.
Paul said it, James said it, John said it, and Peter said it. Why do so few believe them?
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Exactly.
Why do you constantly battle a strawman, rather the clear position I quote from God’s word?
No one was ever “under” the law. The law is what is “under” us, supporting us in our quest for righteousness. Had you ever read Deuteronomy 33, you would have had to have seen this foundation of our faith as Moses preached it. Hebrews 3 and 4 is Paul’s tutorial on the same.
Salvation has always been future, at the last trump, by the grace of God, dispensed only to those that truly believe as the word means in the scriptures. Those that believe him live as he did, and follow his loving commandments.
Straw burns!
I said to read the postings, as they tell what is in the heart.
Acts 15 clearly calls for hearing Torah read every Sabbath day.
“Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Matthew 7:23 was specifically for those that twist teachings, like Acts 15.
[15] And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16] After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
[18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
I believe you're partly right. How we keep His commandments are part of our sanctification process. But it hasn't anything to do with our salvation except give testimony to it. Nor can we look at others-only ourselves- as everyone is walking a different walk.
As far as feeding his sheep, I think most of the fruit we bear for God we know nothing about while those things we think are so important are rubbish to God.
Mat 25:37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
God only wants us to be faithful to Him. He will bear the fruit.
Salvation will be fully realized when we die...Have to dump far, far too much scripture to get to where you are in your understanding of salvation...
so apparently in your view, we are NOT the adopted Children of God...We are not saved but possibly 'being' saved if we strive to please God...
I have far too much scripture under my belt to fall for that false doctrine...
Why then; after you 'quote' it, do you fail to UNDERSTAND it and claim it says something else?
Salvation has always been future, at the last trump, by the grace of God, dispensed only to those that truly believe as the word means in the scriptures.
Would you like to QUOTE some more scripture that supports THIS erroneous statement?
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers.
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Oh?
Why do you quote MATTHEW and fail to show the LETTER in Acts?
GMTA
If you love me, obey my commandments.
Here is the patience of the Saints.. here are they that keep the commandments of YHWH and the faith of Yahshua.
You can’t keep the 4th commandment with the greco roman latin calendar. You can keep a man made Sabbath but not His Sabbath.
His New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts were appointed times for worship, congregating. They were also appointed times for major events in the Messiah’s life.
His birth, circumcision, dedication in the temple, baptism, death, burial and resurrection all occurred on a New Moon, Sabbath or Feast.
So Christendom has declared those days unimportant and december 25, good goddess friya day and easter sun’s day holy.
Counterfeit holy days and sabbaths and feasts would be something I would suspect a master counterfeiter to do to steal worship..
All it would need is a counterfeit savior to go along with all the other unscriptural holy days and then they would be in business of counterfeiting the Messiah of Israel..
A greco roman latin calendar named for a pope, with greco roman latin holy days- all for its greco roman latin savior..
All, a cheap grec roman latin counterfeit for Torah that became flesh and dwelt among us..
But the grip the greco roman latin mother church has on her daughters and the rest of the world is tough to break.
And here they are:
Matthew 22:34-40
34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
And those two are summarized with the ten commandments..
Love is obedience..
Ignoring His Sabbath isn’t your fault... it is the fault of the greco roman latin world and its man made counterfeits...Jews don’t observe it either. They too have a pope appointed sabbath day..
But living and worshipping from the greco roman latin template is your choice..
Our Savior said Pseudos (counterfeits, fakes, lies) would come..
And the mother church has proven it with their own lady, the Greco romam latin mary, who points to her counterfeit son in those promises she gives for praying the rosary..
It helped to have a nice Catholic hand me some beads and instructions manual for the rosary to tests that spirit..
But Christendom accepts the false premise of the mother church and argues from there..
The Messiah’s birthday is coming up, according to His calendar... it will be ignored by the supposed ‘bride’..
How can a bride be so ignorant of the bridegroom she claims to ‘love’?
One answer could be that the bride is preparing to marry a different bridegroom.. the one the mother church created.
You may love the mother church... you may hate the mother church...
I don’t know..
But one thing I do know: your work and worship life is based on the mother church(and so does the rest of the world)
If a catholic, you should be proud..
If not, it should make you sick..
Come our of her..
I am puzzled by this phrase. Where did 'adopted' enter into the equation? I was under the impression that God created us all. Who created us if God has to adopt us?
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