[Karl Spooner]

so apparently in your view, we are NOT the adopted Children of God...We are not saved but possibly 'being' saved if we strive to please God...

I am puzzled by this phrase. Where did 'adopted' enter into the equation? I was under the impression that God created us all. Who created us if God has to adopt us?

[Iscool]

I am puzzled by this phrase. Where did 'adopted' enter into the equation? I was under the impression that God created us all. Who created us if God has to adopt us?

I don't see where we are the children of God before we become Christians...We are not 'born' of God until we are saved...We are part of the creation...Just like the cows...