A couple of years ago I wrote of an unusual experience I had at Mass wherein a person who was troubled by a demon had those demons manifest themselves at the consecration, causing the person to run out of the Church. More on that in a moment.Posted on 08/25/2014 2:16:13 AM PDT by markomalley
A couple of years ago I wrote of an unusual experience I had at Mass wherein a person who was troubled by a demon had those demons manifest themselves at the consecration, causing the person to run out of the Church. More on that in a moment.
I thought of that long-ago incident in relation to the current events transpiring in Oklahoma City, where a satanic cult stole the Eucharist from a Catholic parish and announced plans to desecrate it at a satanic “mass” in September. Archbishop Paul Coakley filed a lawsuit, asking a judge to stop the desecration by requiring the group to return the stolen property. He indicated in the suit that the Host was to be desecrated in the vilest ways imaginable as an offering in sacrifice to Satan.
A spokesman from the satanic group, Adam Daniels, said, “The whole basis of the [satanic] ‘mass‘ is that we take the consecrated host and give it a ‘blessing‘ or offering to Satan. We’re censoring it, [I think he means using incense], doing all things that’s [sic] normally done to bless a sacrifice, which is obviously the host body of Christ. Then we’re taking that and we’re reconsecrating it, or the Devil does …”
[The bracketed comment and the single quotation marks within the above quote are mine.]
In light of the threatened lawsuit, the group returned the consecrated host to the Church. Thanks be to God. But did you notice the satanic spokesman’s attestation regarding the host: “which is obviously the host body of Christ”?
Grave and sad though this incident was (and it wasn’t the first), these Satanists obviously consider the Catholic Eucharist to be the Body of Christ. Unless I missed it, there have been no attempts by Satanists to steal and use a Methodist host, or an Episcopal one, or a Baptist one, or a Lutheran one, etc. It is a Catholic host they seek. Here then is an affirmation of the Scripture which says, Even the demons believe—and shudder (James 2:19).
Elsewhere, Scripture says of a demon that afflicted a man among the tombs, And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped him (Mark 5:6). And in Luke’s Gospel, And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ (Lk 4:41-42).
Indeed, as many who have assisted at exorcisms can attest, there is wonderful power in holy water, relics, the exorcist’s cross, the touch of a priest’s stole, and so forth in afflicting demons and urging them to leave. Yet so many Catholics and others discount these sacramentals (as well as the Sacraments), using them carelessly, infrequently, or not at all. Many people, even faithful Catholics, consider them of little significance. But demons do not. Shamefully, demons sometimes manifest more faith (out of fear) in these things than actual believers who ought to revere them out of loving faith. Even this Satanist in Oklahoma acknowledges that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist and he seeks a host for that reason, although obviously for nefarious and perverse purposes.
And that leads to a story of my own that I published a long while back. Here is an excerpt from that piece:
It was almost 15 years ago. I was At Old St. Mary’s here in D.C. celebrating Mass in the Latin (Extraordinary Form). It was a solemn high Mass. I don’t suppose I thought it any different than most Sundays, but something quite amazing was about to happen.
As you may know, the ancient Latin Mass is celebrated “ad orientem” (toward the Liturgical East). Priest and people all face in one direction. What this means practically for the celebrant is that the people are behind him. It was time for the consecration. At this time, the priest is directed to bow low with his forearms on the altar table and the host between his fingers.
As directed, the venerable words of Consecration were said in a low but distinct voice, Hoc est enim Corpus meum (For this is my Body). The bells rang as I genuflected.
But behind me there was a disturbance of some sort; a shaking or rustling sound came from the front pews behind me to my right. And then a moaning or grumbling. “What was that?” I wondered. It did not really sound human, more like the grumbling of a large animal such as a boar or a bear, along with a plaintive moan that also did not seem human. I elevated the host and again wondered, “What was that?” Then silence. As the celebrant in the ancient Latin Mass I could not easily turn to look. But still I thought, “What was that?”
It was time for the consecration of the chalice. Again I bowed low, pronouncing clearly and distinctly but in a low voice, Hic est enim calix sanguinis mei, novi et æterni testamenti; mysterium fidei; qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem pecatorum. Haec quotiescumque feceritis in mei memoriam facietis (for this is the cup of my Blood, of the new and eternal covenant; the mystery of faith; which will for the many be shed unto the remission of sins. Whensoever you do this, you do it in my memory.)
Then, I heard another sound, this time an undeniable moan and then a shriek as someone cried out, “Leave me alone, Jesus! Why do you torture me?” Suddenly there was a scuffling noise and someone ran out with the groaning sound of having been injured. The back doors swung open and then closed. Then silence.
Realization – I could not turn to look for I was raising the Chalice high over my head. But I knew in an instant that some poor demon-tormented soul had encountered Christ in the Eucharist and could not endure His real presence displayed for all to see. And the words of Scripture occurred to me: Even Demons believe and tremble (James 2:19).
Repentance – But just as James used those words to rebuke the weak faith of his flock, I too had to repent. Why was a demon-troubled man more aware of the true presence and more astonished by it than I was? He was moved in a negative sense and ran. Why was I not more moved in a positive but comparable way? What of the other believers in the pews? I don’t doubt that all of us believed intellectually in the true presence. But there is something very different and far more wonderful in being moved to the depth of your soul! It is so easy for us to be sleepy in the presence of the Divine, to be forgetful of the miraculous and awesome Presence available to us.
Let the record show that on that day, almost 15 years ago, it was made quite plain to me that I held in my hands the Lord of Glory, the King of Heaven and earth, the just Judge and Ruler of the kings of the earth. Is the Lord truly present in the Eucharist? You’d better believe it; even demons believe that!
Answering for markomalley.
A Novus Ordo Mass is a Mass in the native language — in my case English. All the liturgy has been redone (3 years ago) and is basically the same words that used to be said in Latin.
All the elements of the Mass are there.
I used to not question.
Salvation,
Thank you.
G-F
The changes weren’t as simple as just an English translation of the Latin, but I won’t get into it here.
And for decades the words were very different: many vs all.
For your own information you need to come to a Novus Ordo Mass and hear the priest say the word “many” and no longer say “all”.
You are mistaken here. Come and listen.
A friend and I sat with her husband’s old Missal, Latin on one side, English on the other as our priest went through ALL the changes in the new translation.
It was amazing because the new translation nearly matched her husband’s old Missal. Like I said above, “Come and listen.”
Salvation, I’m telling you the NO is more than just a mere translation. The fact that they *finally* changed it back to “many” doesn’t address all of the other changes to the Liturgy.
Really, educate yourself on it.
And my not going to the NO Mass also has a lot to do with the fact that most VII priests don’t teach the Traditional Catholic Faith anymore. Their homilies are tainted by Vatican II theology. They sound more like a Protestant minister than a Catholic priest. Attending the NO “Mass” has been a detriment to my faith.
I am confused. The Corinthians were coming to eat and get drunk. Their view was not to remember Christ’s death and sacrifice for us, which is the “unworthy” manner. It seems to me that it is the viewpoint of the taker that causes judgment or gives non-judgment.
As an independent, when participating in the sacraments I always envisioned the spiritual nature of taking Christ’s body and blood, for my body is sin and not yet perfected.
I wonder what happened to that person who was so tormented. It makes me sad to think he may still be so tortured (or worse).
What you mentioned is one of the reason the agape meal was discontinued at the urgings of Paul.
Another thing is that the rich would bring the rich food and the poor would only bring bread and other economical dishes.
Thank you for the ping and your post #23.
Oh that it can definitely be depending on where you live.
Bottom line is this. A deviation on doctrine seems to me less fatal than having the sacraments throughout the Church suddenly become invalid. The Eucharistic presence is the beating, living, heart of Christ in the Church. I don't care what Catholic doctrines you are holding on to, if you have not the Holy Eucharist, isn't your Church practically speaking dead?
Is it really credible that Christ would allow His Bride the Church to fall into such grave error that everyone from the Supreme Pontiff to the pewsitter is now manifestly outside it, save for a few straggling remnants, none of whom agree with each other?
Shamefully, demons sometimes manifest more faith (out of fear) in these things than actual believers who ought to revere them out of loving faith.
Very sad but very true....
Light does not fear Light, only darkness fears Light. Thus a prayerful blessing to an evil man is like placing hot coals upon his head. When you are filled with the Light, the only way you can see it is to look within.
This attribute is what protects me when I am doing this work. It is the Light of the Holy Spirit flowing through me. For some reason, I physically see and feel both the Holy Spirit and the darkness of evil. The best way to describe the Holy Spirit is that it appears as liquid Light and feels like pure unconditional Love.
The reason this works in this manner is that the high frequency of consciousness will always appear to a lower level of consciousness as Light. It is the same reason that Neals Bohr, the Danish atomic physicist who discovered atomic structure found that an electron going from an outer orbital to an inner orbital gives off light. It is the inherent energy contained in the higher level vibration. The mass of the physical body usually holds the energy level of consciousness down, but just as Einstein showed in his E=mc2, as consciousness is no longer attached to the matter, the energy level of consciousness increases.
Placing low frequency matter in high frequency consciousness is like placing a piece of metal in the microwave. The high frequency of the microwave heats up the metal and the sparks fly. The same is true of any low frequency dense thought such as fear, guilt, anger, or jealousy. It cannot exist in the higher prayerful consciousness. This is also the reason why Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Daniel 3 were thrown into the fire that killed the guards who threw them in but did not harm them. It's also the reason that the eunuch was killed when he touched the Ark when he tripped.
I'm just explaining what I see as God is working through me.
Most of the spirits that have been recruited by satan are merely good souls that have become weeds by going astray. They have at the core of their soul the Light of God essence that created them. satan knows that if these misguided souls get into the Light, it will remove the shackles he has place upon them. Thus he teaches his minions the great lie that God's Light will kill them or that it will melt them. He does this in order to not have them exposed to the Light where they will be redeemed from his power. They must deny the Light within their soul.
There are many aspects of how this works on demons. The high up true demonics will sting the people who use Jesus' name but who do not know Jesus. The demons know when a person is issuing false or idle threats. Only those who are connected can deal with this level of evil, while many other people can deal with the low level misguided spirits who can't tell difference. The demons also know every sin, fear or weakness in your soul and will use it against you.
The words in 1 John 4:1 on testing spirits is a very powerful scripture. Dark spirits cannot answer it falsely. I've had this scripture come out of my mouth to test spirits whom appeared to be ok. They will first try to give a non answer such as "We know Jesus." But if you repeat the question exactly as in the scripture their true nature will come out. Yes, they are afraid of Jesus' power. One other thing that happens is that even a total stranger who is possessed will get angry and scream at me when they first meet me. They can't come close to me even though I have said nothing. They feel the energy flowing through me.
The best way to answer that is with John 17: As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one
The "presence" does not depend upon the belief of the recipient. However their ability to perceive and/or accept it does. The same wall that we put up to hide our sins blocks us from receiving god's unconditional Love that is there for us all the time.
Excellent comment...
“(I am not depending upon third party accounts, this is something I’ve seen with my own eyes) “
What you are saying is the truth. I too have seen and experiences this same thing many times.
Ping!
Are you painting with broad brush strokes? Do you also doubt the validity of the Chaldean, Ukrainian, Coptic, and other Eastern Catholic liturgies? Of is your personal vendetta focused strictly on the western church masses?
No, some elements have been eliminated, e.g. The Last Gospel and prayers after low Mass and some have been added, e.g. procession of the "gifts" by lay people.
Many other elements were protestantized, e.g. removing the tabernacle from front and center on the altar, the priest turning his back to face the "people of God" rather than facing God, altar girls, Euacharistic monsters, Holy Communion in the Paw and on the Hoof, etc.
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