Posted on 08/25/2014 2:16:13 AM PDT by markomalley
Note Msgr’s experience
This missive moved me, this morning. Thank you.
I think that asking Jesus to take up the demon from the possessed person or asking Jesus to have his angels bind and remove the demon and to try to then convert it from its demonic ways is preferable. Why: perhaps the demon does not want to actually return to satan &/or hades; thus the exorcism is welcomed rather than fought against. Does this always happen, probably not, but worth it for the sake of the possessed being relieved of the demon.
“Happening at the NO Mass, I question.”
Do you doubt that Christ is present in the Eucharist when consecrated at the NO?
I attend an NO church and have no doubt whatsoever Christ is present.
I’d be wasting my time as an adorer at our perpetual adoration if so.
I do doubt it because I doubt the validity of the New Mass. I used to have no doubt just like you.
I won't argue with the process :-) it is only Christ who can overcome the power of Satan.
Portions of the Bible were translated into English way before Tyndale and the Reformation--all the way back to the Anglo-Saxon period. See: English translations of the Bible.
But these translations were not for the "common man to read about Jesus" because the common man couldn't read anyway. And even if he could read, a whole Bible cost about as a much as a house, because it had to be painstakingly copied by hand.
The people who were reading and had access to books were mostly scholars, and every scholar pretty much knew Latin. So far from being some great conspiracy, there really wasn't any huge need for Bibles in English.
And as far as the Church was concerned, it was certainly no sin to translate the Bible. Don't forget, the Latin Bible itself was a translation from the Greek (and partially the Hebrew).
While it is true that the Church clamped down on vernacular translations after the Reformation, that was because people with printing presses were taking out bits of the Bible they didn't like and adding words here and there to suit their theological proclivities. The Church was extremely concerned that inaccurate versions were going out and spreading under the disguise of a "translation".
But soon enough English Catholic scholars produced their own versions to compete with Protestant Bibles. The Douay-Rhiems Bible came out even before the King James and formed the backbone of English Catholicism right up till the 1960s.
I had doubts when I came from a Latin Mass to NO due to a move. I have none now.
In fact, I’m in awe of the priests we have had in our parish. The current one has a healing charism.
Validity of the mass? That’s way beyond my paygrade. I’ll follow the magisterium and my local bishop who seems to think it’s true, licit, and valid.
Maybe things will change for me too, but for now I remain suspicious of all the changes to the Sacraments post-Vatican II.
You said:
“...it is only Christ who can overcome the power of Satan.”
I totally agree with that. It is ONLY Christ who removes demons.
Mark,
You posted “I’ve seen this happen before at N.O. Masses as well.”
What are “N.O. Masses?” I’m guessing you are not referring to Masses held in New Orleans, LA.
Thanks, G-F
I am starting to wonder if that area you have mentioned, in that part of Iraq is where ISIS has taken control of?
Not yet....Al Hillah is a total SHIA majority...
Karbala is the holiest place for Shia (Ali and Hussein Mosques) are there...it’s where the Sunni’s killed both of these men, who were the Grand Children of Mohammed.
Every JAN the Shia turn out and conduct a pilgrimage by cutting their faces and those of their children to pour out the blood for not mounting an army to save those two. They walk and beat themselves drawing blood as they make the march.
ISIS will attempt, and may succeed, in blowing those mosques up...they sit south of Fallujah and Ramadi...south west of Baghdad...
Al-Hillah is supported also by Diwaniyah (South) and another 2nd Holy City, An Najaf...this is where the large grave yard is located - and most of where Mahdi Militia, or Sadr’s boys hang out...a deadly place for Coalition Forces back in 2004-2008...
Be ISIS or Mahdi Militia - it all stems from Islam - that places ones situation into the hands of Allah, and does not account for self-responsibility or effort. They surround their lives with death - and I saw more often than not, MM doing the same things that ISIS is doing...evil is abundant in that area...
I wrote a book describing the military and religious aspects of how we defeated this force - traditional publishing houses didn’t like the religious aspect, and therefore it was hard to get it published - but I eventually succeeded...it’s use alot within US and British intelligence arenas...
Amazon: Babylon’s Covert War
Just found this online, there is a picture of what I believe are USA soldiers taking a look at the replica of Babylon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon
Thank-you for the info.
I remember my late brother a number of years back having told me, this was during the first Persian Gulf War that at least in the Baghdad area, that there was a sense of darkness. Now I am figuring it out.
In the Catholic Church, the general maxim is (to put it simply) that the Sacraments are binding on us, but they are not binding on Christ (since nothing can limit Him.)
I usually hear this applied to Baptism: it is binding on the believer (in fact, binding on the whole human race) to be baptized. If you realize that Baptism was instituted for your salvation, and that God has commanded it, then you are morally obliged to be baptized (in fact, morally obliged to be received into, and remain within, the Catholic Church!!)
However it is not binding on God. Therefore if He wishes, He can give the grace of baptism wheresoever and to whomsoever He wishes, in any manner He wishes.
Catholics better-educated than I am, help me out and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the same general maxim applies to the Eucharist. Objectively, if you have the correct minister of the sacrament (a validly ordained Catholic priest) and he does the correct actions ("do the red, read the black") to the correct stuff (wheaten bread and real grape wine) with the correct intention ("I intend what the Catholic Church intends") then and ALWAYS then, it is transubstantiated and becomes the real Body and Blood of Christ. No matter whether the person who receives Communion believes it or not.
Of course the spiritual condition of the recipient will determine whether you receive it unto salvation or unto condemnation: great faith, great love = great blessing. To receive unmindfully and unworthily, not in a state of grace, would bring condemnation. (But in any case, it's still the True Body and Blood, even if the Blessed Sacrament is in the hands of Anton LaVey.)
However God is not limited by this. So -- I think ---if a person who received bread and wine which was not validly consecrated, but desired Christ, this person could still receive His True Presence in some way surpassing our understanding. Just because He, the Lord, is entirely unconstrained and can do whatever He wills.
Amirite?
Wow! What a story!
**“Unless I missed it, there have been no attempts by Satanists to steal and use a Methodist host, or an Episcopal one, or a Baptist one, or a Lutheran one, etc. It is a Catholic host they seek.”**
Because the REAL PRESENCE exists only in the transubstantiated host.
I don’t question.
At a Novus Ordo Mass one extraordinary minister of Holy Communion saw a gentleman she knew slip the host into his Bible rather than consume it.
Since she knew him, she went to his home and asked for the host, which she then consumed.
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