A couple of years ago I wrote of an unusual experience I had at Mass wherein a person who was troubled by a demon had those demons manifest themselves at the consecration, causing the person to run out of the Church. More on that in a moment.Posted on 08/25/2014 2:16:13 AM PDT by markomalley
A couple of years ago I wrote of an unusual experience I had at Mass wherein a person who was troubled by a demon had those demons manifest themselves at the consecration, causing the person to run out of the Church. More on that in a moment.
I thought of that long-ago incident in relation to the current events transpiring in Oklahoma City, where a satanic cult stole the Eucharist from a Catholic parish and announced plans to desecrate it at a satanic “mass” in September. Archbishop Paul Coakley filed a lawsuit, asking a judge to stop the desecration by requiring the group to return the stolen property. He indicated in the suit that the Host was to be desecrated in the vilest ways imaginable as an offering in sacrifice to Satan.
A spokesman from the satanic group, Adam Daniels, said, “The whole basis of the [satanic] ‘mass‘ is that we take the consecrated host and give it a ‘blessing‘ or offering to Satan. We’re censoring it, [I think he means using incense], doing all things that’s [sic] normally done to bless a sacrifice, which is obviously the host body of Christ. Then we’re taking that and we’re reconsecrating it, or the Devil does …”
[The bracketed comment and the single quotation marks within the above quote are mine.]
In light of the threatened lawsuit, the group returned the consecrated host to the Church. Thanks be to God. But did you notice the satanic spokesman’s attestation regarding the host: “which is obviously the host body of Christ”?
Grave and sad though this incident was (and it wasn’t the first), these Satanists obviously consider the Catholic Eucharist to be the Body of Christ. Unless I missed it, there have been no attempts by Satanists to steal and use a Methodist host, or an Episcopal one, or a Baptist one, or a Lutheran one, etc. It is a Catholic host they seek. Here then is an affirmation of the Scripture which says, Even the demons believe—and shudder (James 2:19).
Elsewhere, Scripture says of a demon that afflicted a man among the tombs, And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped him (Mark 5:6). And in Luke’s Gospel, And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ (Lk 4:41-42).
Indeed, as many who have assisted at exorcisms can attest, there is wonderful power in holy water, relics, the exorcist’s cross, the touch of a priest’s stole, and so forth in afflicting demons and urging them to leave. Yet so many Catholics and others discount these sacramentals (as well as the Sacraments), using them carelessly, infrequently, or not at all. Many people, even faithful Catholics, consider them of little significance. But demons do not. Shamefully, demons sometimes manifest more faith (out of fear) in these things than actual believers who ought to revere them out of loving faith. Even this Satanist in Oklahoma acknowledges that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist and he seeks a host for that reason, although obviously for nefarious and perverse purposes.
And that leads to a story of my own that I published a long while back. Here is an excerpt from that piece:
It was almost 15 years ago. I was At Old St. Mary’s here in D.C. celebrating Mass in the Latin (Extraordinary Form). It was a solemn high Mass. I don’t suppose I thought it any different than most Sundays, but something quite amazing was about to happen.
As you may know, the ancient Latin Mass is celebrated “ad orientem” (toward the Liturgical East). Priest and people all face in one direction. What this means practically for the celebrant is that the people are behind him. It was time for the consecration. At this time, the priest is directed to bow low with his forearms on the altar table and the host between his fingers.
As directed, the venerable words of Consecration were said in a low but distinct voice, Hoc est enim Corpus meum (For this is my Body). The bells rang as I genuflected.
But behind me there was a disturbance of some sort; a shaking or rustling sound came from the front pews behind me to my right. And then a moaning or grumbling. “What was that?” I wondered. It did not really sound human, more like the grumbling of a large animal such as a boar or a bear, along with a plaintive moan that also did not seem human. I elevated the host and again wondered, “What was that?” Then silence. As the celebrant in the ancient Latin Mass I could not easily turn to look. But still I thought, “What was that?”
It was time for the consecration of the chalice. Again I bowed low, pronouncing clearly and distinctly but in a low voice, Hic est enim calix sanguinis mei, novi et æterni testamenti; mysterium fidei; qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem pecatorum. Haec quotiescumque feceritis in mei memoriam facietis (for this is the cup of my Blood, of the new and eternal covenant; the mystery of faith; which will for the many be shed unto the remission of sins. Whensoever you do this, you do it in my memory.)
Then, I heard another sound, this time an undeniable moan and then a shriek as someone cried out, “Leave me alone, Jesus! Why do you torture me?” Suddenly there was a scuffling noise and someone ran out with the groaning sound of having been injured. The back doors swung open and then closed. Then silence.
Realization – I could not turn to look for I was raising the Chalice high over my head. But I knew in an instant that some poor demon-tormented soul had encountered Christ in the Eucharist and could not endure His real presence displayed for all to see. And the words of Scripture occurred to me: Even Demons believe and tremble (James 2:19).
Repentance – But just as James used those words to rebuke the weak faith of his flock, I too had to repent. Why was a demon-troubled man more aware of the true presence and more astonished by it than I was? He was moved in a negative sense and ran. Why was I not more moved in a positive but comparable way? What of the other believers in the pews? I don’t doubt that all of us believed intellectually in the true presence. But there is something very different and far more wonderful in being moved to the depth of your soul! It is so easy for us to be sleepy in the presence of the Divine, to be forgetful of the miraculous and awesome Presence available to us.
Let the record show that on that day, almost 15 years ago, it was made quite plain to me that I held in my hands the Lord of Glory, the King of Heaven and earth, the just Judge and Ruler of the kings of the earth. Is the Lord truly present in the Eucharist? You’d better believe it; even demons believe that!
Note Msgr’s experience
This missive moved me, this morning. Thank you.
I think that asking Jesus to take up the demon from the possessed person or asking Jesus to have his angels bind and remove the demon and to try to then convert it from its demonic ways is preferable. Why: perhaps the demon does not want to actually return to satan &/or hades; thus the exorcism is welcomed rather than fought against. Does this always happen, probably not, but worth it for the sake of the possessed being relieved of the demon.
“Happening at the NO Mass, I question.”
Do you doubt that Christ is present in the Eucharist when consecrated at the NO?
I attend an NO church and have no doubt whatsoever Christ is present.
I’d be wasting my time as an adorer at our perpetual adoration if so.
I do doubt it because I doubt the validity of the New Mass. I used to have no doubt just like you.
I won't argue with the process :-) it is only Christ who can overcome the power of Satan.
Portions of the Bible were translated into English way before Tyndale and the Reformation--all the way back to the Anglo-Saxon period. See: English translations of the Bible.
But these translations were not for the "common man to read about Jesus" because the common man couldn't read anyway. And even if he could read, a whole Bible cost about as a much as a house, because it had to be painstakingly copied by hand.
The people who were reading and had access to books were mostly scholars, and every scholar pretty much knew Latin. So far from being some great conspiracy, there really wasn't any huge need for Bibles in English.
And as far as the Church was concerned, it was certainly no sin to translate the Bible. Don't forget, the Latin Bible itself was a translation from the Greek (and partially the Hebrew).
While it is true that the Church clamped down on vernacular translations after the Reformation, that was because people with printing presses were taking out bits of the Bible they didn't like and adding words here and there to suit their theological proclivities. The Church was extremely concerned that inaccurate versions were going out and spreading under the disguise of a "translation".
But soon enough English Catholic scholars produced their own versions to compete with Protestant Bibles. The Douay-Rhiems Bible came out even before the King James and formed the backbone of English Catholicism right up till the 1960s.
I had doubts when I came from a Latin Mass to NO due to a move. I have none now.
In fact, I’m in awe of the priests we have had in our parish. The current one has a healing charism.
Validity of the mass? That’s way beyond my paygrade. I’ll follow the magisterium and my local bishop who seems to think it’s true, licit, and valid.
Maybe things will change for me too, but for now I remain suspicious of all the changes to the Sacraments post-Vatican II.
You said:
“...it is only Christ who can overcome the power of Satan.”
I totally agree with that. It is ONLY Christ who removes demons.
Mark,
You posted “I’ve seen this happen before at N.O. Masses as well.”
What are “N.O. Masses?” I’m guessing you are not referring to Masses held in New Orleans, LA.
Thanks, G-F
I am starting to wonder if that area you have mentioned, in that part of Iraq is where ISIS has taken control of?
Not yet....Al Hillah is a total SHIA majority...
Karbala is the holiest place for Shia (Ali and Hussein Mosques) are there...it’s where the Sunni’s killed both of these men, who were the Grand Children of Mohammed.
Every JAN the Shia turn out and conduct a pilgrimage by cutting their faces and those of their children to pour out the blood for not mounting an army to save those two. They walk and beat themselves drawing blood as they make the march.
ISIS will attempt, and may succeed, in blowing those mosques up...they sit south of Fallujah and Ramadi...south west of Baghdad...
Al-Hillah is supported also by Diwaniyah (South) and another 2nd Holy City, An Najaf...this is where the large grave yard is located - and most of where Mahdi Militia, or Sadr’s boys hang out...a deadly place for Coalition Forces back in 2004-2008...
Be ISIS or Mahdi Militia - it all stems from Islam - that places ones situation into the hands of Allah, and does not account for self-responsibility or effort. They surround their lives with death - and I saw more often than not, MM doing the same things that ISIS is doing...evil is abundant in that area...
I wrote a book describing the military and religious aspects of how we defeated this force - traditional publishing houses didn’t like the religious aspect, and therefore it was hard to get it published - but I eventually succeeded...it’s use alot within US and British intelligence arenas...
Amazon: Babylon’s Covert War
Just found this online, there is a picture of what I believe are USA soldiers taking a look at the replica of Babylon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon
Thank-you for the info.
I remember my late brother a number of years back having told me, this was during the first Persian Gulf War that at least in the Baghdad area, that there was a sense of darkness. Now I am figuring it out.
In the Catholic Church, the general maxim is (to put it simply) that the Sacraments are binding on us, but they are not binding on Christ (since nothing can limit Him.)
I usually hear this applied to Baptism: it is binding on the believer (in fact, binding on the whole human race) to be baptized. If you realize that Baptism was instituted for your salvation, and that God has commanded it, then you are morally obliged to be baptized (in fact, morally obliged to be received into, and remain within, the Catholic Church!!)
However it is not binding on God. Therefore if He wishes, He can give the grace of baptism wheresoever and to whomsoever He wishes, in any manner He wishes.
Catholics better-educated than I am, help me out and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the same general maxim applies to the Eucharist. Objectively, if you have the correct minister of the sacrament (a validly ordained Catholic priest) and he does the correct actions ("do the red, read the black") to the correct stuff (wheaten bread and real grape wine) with the correct intention ("I intend what the Catholic Church intends") then and ALWAYS then, it is transubstantiated and becomes the real Body and Blood of Christ. No matter whether the person who receives Communion believes it or not.
Of course the spiritual condition of the recipient will determine whether you receive it unto salvation or unto condemnation: great faith, great love = great blessing. To receive unmindfully and unworthily, not in a state of grace, would bring condemnation. (But in any case, it's still the True Body and Blood, even if the Blessed Sacrament is in the hands of Anton LaVey.)
However God is not limited by this. So -- I think ---if a person who received bread and wine which was not validly consecrated, but desired Christ, this person could still receive His True Presence in some way surpassing our understanding. Just because He, the Lord, is entirely unconstrained and can do whatever He wills.
Amirite?
Wow! What a story!
**“Unless I missed it, there have been no attempts by Satanists to steal and use a Methodist host, or an Episcopal one, or a Baptist one, or a Lutheran one, etc. It is a Catholic host they seek.”**
Because the REAL PRESENCE exists only in the transubstantiated host.
I don’t question.
At a Novus Ordo Mass one extraordinary minister of Holy Communion saw a gentleman she knew slip the host into his Bible rather than consume it.
Since she knew him, she went to his home and asked for the host, which she then consumed.
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