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Should be titled, "Why the Sodomites Are Winning". I refuse to use the word gay to describe abhorent sexual behavior. And I would like to add another major reason the sodomites are winning. They are winning because unelected robed tyrants are overruling the will of the people on a daily basis. When I say unelected I am including the US Supreme Court, especially liberals like Anthony Kennedy that are forcing degenerate, un-Godly sexual perversion on American society just because he feels like it's the right thing to do. Afterall, he knows more than God, and our Founding Fathers, including James Madison, who wrote the Constitution. He knows more than any society in the history of the world; no society has ever allowed sodomite "marriage". So it's the robed tyrants like Kennedy that we have to worry about. They are the ones destroying all that's decent and good about America.

The wages of Sin are Death
Those who give themselves over to Sin are NOT winning
Their Death is written into the granite of the Universe.

One correct response, is Pity

Romans 1:

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Evil is winning because America has become morally bankrupt, ceding the whole battlefield.

I thought there would be some leaders who would stand up and shout “End this insane depravity.” But there’s just no backbone, no vinegar, no moxie, in this country anymore. The populace is as cowed and as apathetic as the peasants behind the Iron Curtain ever were. And frankly, even more brainwashed, to the point of interpreting their degeneracy as a moral virtue.

I see this whole fag-marriage wave as a smaller symbol representing America’s death as a nation. Death in both the sense of governmental tyranny, and the sense of embracing evil. It’s the final nail telling me that America is no more. And it renders all issues like politics and elections totally moot, because they just no longer matter.

HOMOSEXUALS are winning BECAUSE CHRISTIANS REFUSE TO OBEY GOD !

This is what we get when we FAIL to OBEY God.
For it is written:

“ For whosoever shall commit ANY of these abominations,even the SOULS that commit themSHALL BE CUT OFF from among their people. ”

Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.

It was given by our Heavenly Father

test us

Someone once asked

"Why are they

all so angry?"

The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE".

rep·ro·bate

ˈre-prə-ˌbāt

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.

Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.

Jer. 6

2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate.

Titus 1

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.

will we OBEY

?

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect
that God is just,
that his justice cannot sleep forever."

I don't disagree with the author but he left out the fact that federal judges are ignoring natural law and the will of the people and forcing this crap on us.

We'll see if Corbett has a spine now. Burn up his phone lines.

Oh I’ll never “get used to it”. It’s just that as a legal battle, it sure appears to be over and we lost.

The most brilliant thing is that he does so without reference to the Catholic faith, the Bible or any other religious connection.

Well, that's stupid. Homosexuality is satanic and its metastasizing is evidence that the Lord has turned our world over to a reprobate mind. People who cannot see that we battle not against flesh and blood are a big part of the problem.

Calling homosexuals winners is like calling Judas, Herod,Caiaphas and Pilot winners. If winning a ticket to hell and eternal separation from God is victorious than we have reached the age when evil is called good and good is called evil. People ignore the fact that this sinful life style is a choice that leads to serious disease and death, promiscuity, mental illness, depression, fractured relationships, and short lived depressing lives for the most part. They trend to have higher rates of early death from suicide, violence, pedophiles, serious spread of sexual disease from using human anatomy in a manner it was never designed to be used. They have destroyed every society in human history that openly allowed homosexuality in their culture.

You can make these arguments without using religion that homosexuality harms society as a whole just like slavery did and do so without using religion, even though our laws are formulated under the Judeo Christian ethic and moral guide within the framework of fundamental law. I would not want to live under Chinese law with one child type moral policy or Sharia law that puts homosexuals to death. But a world that allows recognition of same sex marriage is condoning all the ills and destruction that the behavior inflicts on our society. For the same reason that legalizing drugs is a bad idea so is normalizing same sex marriage. They still lose, society loses, the devil wins with more souls going to hell, and the only victory belongs to the one who conquered sin and death, and that is Jesus. The victory was on the cross and all who chose to follow Jesus find happiness and life and more abundantly.

The gays are winning, because too many people are not standing up, punching them in the nose, and telling them to get back in the closet.

Public schooling injects people with a moral paralysis. They grow up unable to do anything about the sodomite juggernaut.

As long as we keep calling them “gay”, they’ll keep winning. They are homosexuals and we have to stop following their verbage.

Thank you for referencing that article NKP_Vet. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

Basically the only reason that gays are winning some battles is the following imo. Although the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect so-called gay rights, many patriots, evidently including Fr. Longenecke, probably don't know enough about how constitutionally enumerated rights work to argue that point with activist judges who are wrongly legislating gay rights from the bench, not that such judges would care.

What patriots need to do with activist judges is the following. Patriots need to work with state and federal lawmakers to make punitive laws which would require judges to do the following. Judges would be required to promptly, clearly and publicly specify all constitutional clauses to justify their decisions. And in those cases where the Constitution is silent about a particular issue, judges would be required to clarify that such an issue is a 10th Amendment-protected state power issue.

Because they have more disposable income (they don’t have to worry about supporting kids for the most part). This money gives them power. And the ethos of the biblically-inspired American of yesteryear is no longer the dominant culture. Quite simple.

Homosexuality is not so much winning, as the political set up requires that the will of the people be overturned by members of the oligarchy. The people of the United States did not approve of homosexual marriage, the will was overturned by activist, leftist judges.

Why The Gays Are Winning

Because Obama is pushing it. Obama hates the USA, and this is one of many things he's doing to insure our demise.

I don't know how many of the following links are still valid. There's a lot of information here:

The Homosexual Agenda

Center for Disease Control

Diagnoses of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2009
Diagnoses of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2008
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2007
Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2006
Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2005
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States, 2004 (Published in 2006)
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States, 2003
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Risk, Prevention, and Testing Behaviors --- United States, National HIV Behavioral Surveillance System: Men Who Have Sex with Men, November 2003--April 2005
HIV among Gay, Bisexual and Other Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)
HIV/AIDS among Women

Science

Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids
What do clinical studies say?
NARTH Responds with 'Good Science and Demonstrable Clinical Experience' at the Annual Conference
"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project
The Three Myths About Homosexuality
New Evidence Found for Childhood Family Factors Influencing Sexual Orientation
Environmental factors may influence sexual orientation
The Study The Media Ignored
How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together
Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic
The Importance of Twin Studies
The Fading "Gay Gene"
The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science
HIV infection and risk behaviours among young gay and bisexual men in Vancouver
My Genes Made Me Do It! - Homosexuality and the Scientific Evidence
"This is the Way God Made Me" A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the "Gay Gene"
Genetics and Homosexuality: Are People Born Gay? The Biological Basis for Sexual Orientation

Ex-Gay

'Groundbreaking' study shows 'gays' can change
APA Has No Disagreement With the Treatment of Unwanted Homosexual Attraction
How a 'gay rights' leader became straight
Venus Magazine
I Do Exist
People Can Change
Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
Ex-gay Video Testimonials
Spitzer Study Published: Evidence Found for Effectiveness of Reorientation Therapy
The cure for homosexuality: solution that brought him out of 'gay' life
Ex-Gay is Okay

Health Hazards

A Guide for Gay Men and Cancer Prevention
Syphilis rise amongst gay men
Barebacking
Sodomy: A Public Health Risk
Gay, Lesbian and Transgender Health
The Health Risks of Gay Sex
"Steamed" Detroit a syphilis hotbed
Syphilis increase sparks AIDS concerns
U.S. sees HIV cases rise among gay, bisexual men
Gay Men Meeting Online Contracting Syphilis Faster
Health Concerns for Gay Men

Bug Chasers

Bug Chasers:The men who long to be HIV+
Acting Up
Bugchasing

Schools

California passes bill mandating pro-gay teaching in schools, no parent opt-out
California Gov Signs Landmark Law to Teach Gay History
Judge orders 'gay' agenda taught to Christian children
Teaching Homosexuality in Public Schools
As California mandate looms, some LGBT curriculum already in place
Queering the Schools

Misc

Queer by Choice
Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well Intentioned Path to Harm
Not Born This Way
The Overhauling of Straight America: Waging peace Part Two
After the Ball: How America will Conquer it's fear and hatred of Gays
Homosexuality: What's all the fuss?
Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)
A Gay ( or not! ) Old Time- GM links (backhoe's links)
Americans for Truth About Homosexuality
What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda
Is This Gay Behavior Sick?
Meet 'Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA'

Simon LeVay

Simon LeVay is a scientist who also happens to be gay. Here is what LeVay said regarding his own research:

"[His 1991 research] made the unassuming LeVay one of the most misunderstood men in America. "It's important to stress what I didn't find," he points out with the courtly patience of someone who long ago got used to waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. "I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are 'born that way,' the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain--INAH3 is less likely to be the sole gay nucleus of the brain than part of a chain of nuclei engaged in men and women's sexual behavior. My work is just a hint in that direction--a spur, I hope, to future work."

Source: Interview with David Nimmons (March, 1994) "Sex and the Brain", Discover, Vol. 15, No. 3, p. 64-71.

In 1973 the APA (American Psychiatric Association) declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. According to LeVay, it wasn't science that propelled the APAs change, he said

"Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."

Source: Simon LeVay, Queer Science, MIT Press, 1996, p. 224

Dr. Robert Spitzer

Dr. Spitzer is best recognized in psychiatric history for his scientific role in 1973—he led the team that investigated whether homosexuality should be removed from the psychiatric manual. Since then Spitzer has changed his mind that homosexuals can change.

"Like most psychiatrists," says Dr. Spitzer, "I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change."

You can read more of Spitzer here.

The same reason they won in Sodom.

Anybody want more information then they care for? There's just a wealth of information at the FreeRepublic link below. I think most of the categorical links no longer work but the information below the links are quite informative:

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)

winning at what ? they are still gay, they are still HIV susceptible....hey don't look at me, blame the CDC

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States.

still scratchin my head why "and other men who have sex with men" aren't part of the 1st two goups.

Calling evil good doesn’t make it right. I, personally, will never “celebrate” faggotry. And winning the legal battle by fear tactics doesn’t win hearts and minds - these people are so drunk on power and influence that they are overreaching daily and it will come back to bite them. We need to expose constantly the unnatural harm to the body caused by poop sex, and the huge toll in disease and death and keep reminding people why our Creator said not to do this.

All according to the apostles of Sodom

Strategies and psychological tactics

Homosexual activists are often seen as engaging in specious argumentation, such as attempts to controvert the consistent teaching of the Bible on homosexual relations (see homosexuality and biblical interpretation), and using false analogies, in order to gain acceptance of homosexuality. One common argument used by homosexual activists seeks to compare their quest for equal rights to that of others.^[32] This argument is countered by the observation that blacks were able to peacefully argue that mankind should not be "judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character"^[33], as the former yields no certain moral distinction. In contrast, homosexual activists seek acceptance of an immoral practice(s), and in addition, engage in certain coercive and manipulative means to do so. This includes the use of demonstrative protests, which appear to be designed to censure and intimidate those who oppose them in any way.^[34]^[35]^[36]^[37]^[38]^[39]^[40]^[41]^[42]^[43]^[44] In addition, one pro-homosexual commentator recently took the homosexual community to task for being racist in their practice of homosexuality.^[45] Another strategy used by supporters of the homosexual agenda is to publicly deny that such an agenda exists.^[46]

While not all homosexuals agree with the use of deceptive psychological tactics, these have been promoted by leading homosexual activists. The aforementioned book, After the Ball, is widely regarded as the handbook for the gay agenda, in which two Harvard-trained (homosexual) psychologists ^[47] Marshall Kirk (1957 - 2005) and Hunter Madsen (pen name Erastes Pill, who was also schooled in social marketing) advocated avoiding portraying gays as aggressive challengers, but as victims instead, while making all those who opposed them to be evil persecutors. As a means of the latter, they promoted jamming, in which Christians, traditionalists, or anyone else who opposes the gay agenda are publicly smeared. Their strategy was based on the premise that, "In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. The purpose of victim imagery is to make straight people feel very uncomfortable."

"Jamming" homo-hatred (disagreement with homosexual behaviors) was to be done by linking it to Nazi horror, advised Kirk and Madsen. Associate all who oppose homosexuality with images of Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered, hysterical backwoods preachers, menacing punks, and a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed. Thus, "propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths..."^[48]^[49]

Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes,

There can be no doubt that Christianity represents the greatest obstacle to the normalization of homosexual behavior. It cannot be otherwise, because of the clear biblical teachings concerning the inherent sinfulness of homosexuality in all forms, and the normativity of heterosexual marriage. In order to counter this obstacle, Kirk and Madsen advised gays to "use talk to muddy the moral waters, that is, to undercut the rationalizations that 'justify' religious bigotry and to jam some of its psychic rewards." How can this be done? "This entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections to conservative biblical teachings." [The latter of which attempts homosexuality and biblical interpretation examine and expose.]^[50]

Kirk and Madsen's open admission of their deceptive tactics is noted as most revealing: [O]ur effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. "...the person's beliefs can be altered whether he is conscious of the attack or not"^[51] “The campaign we outline in this book, though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed propaganda, firmly grounded in long-established principles of psychology and advertising.”^[52]^[53]

Similarly, author Robert Bauman additionally records: "It makes no difference that the ads are lies... because were using them to ethically good effect, to counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much lies, and far more wicked ones."^[54]

The need for Kirk and Madsen to engage in such manipulation may be seen as being due to their sober realization of the nature of the homosexual lifestyle.

“In short, the gay lifestyle - if such a chaos can, after all, legitimately be called a lifestyle - it just doesn’t work: it doesn’t serve the two functions for which all social framework evolve: to constrain people’s natural impulses to behave badly and to meet their natural needs. While it’s impossible to provide an exhaustive analytic list of all the root causes and aggravants of this failure, we can asseverate at least some of the major causes. Many have been dissected, above, as elements of the Ten Misbehaviors; it only remains to discuss the failure of the gay community to provide a viable alternative to the heterosexual family.”^[55]

David Kupelian, author of The Marketing of Evil, describes Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, stating,

Kirk and Madsen were not the kind of drooling activists that would burst into churches and throw condoms in the air. They were smart guys – very smart. Kirk, a Harvard-educated researcher in neuropsychiatry, work with the Johns Hopkins Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth and designed aptitude tests for adults with 200+ IQs. Madsen, with a doctorate in politics from Harvard, was an expert on public persuasion tactics and social marketing.^[56]

Marshall Kirk died in 2005 at the age of 47.^[57] The cause of death has not been publicly revealed.

Often cited as an early example of such tactics was the role of homosexual activists in persuading the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders (DSM-II). Dr. Ronald Bayer, though being himself a pro-homosexual psychiatrist, described this removal as being the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, rather than any new scientific discoveries.^[58] In so doing, like slavery before it, the homosexual agenda is seen to threaten basic freedoms, principally the First Amendment.^[59]

The charge of homophobia has also been increasingly evidenced as being part of a means of intimidation used in promoting the homosexual agenda. Due to what homophobia has been made to denote, that of being a repressed homosexual, or possessing an irrational fear of being approached by homosexuals, or of being a bigot persecuting victims, the widespread use of the term "homophobic" attaches a powerful stigma to anyone who may even conscientiously oppose the practice of homosexuality, thus silencing many who might otherwise object to it.^[60]

In relation to such oppression, psychologist Nicholas Cummings, former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), observed, "Homophobia as intimidation is one of the most pervasive techniques used to silence anyone who would disagree with the gay activist agenda." As an example of such fear within the APA, in addressing 100 fellow professionals Cummings related that while writing "Destructive Trends in Mental Health," with psychologist Rogers Wright, a number of fellow psychologists were invited to participate. However, these flatly turned them down, as they feared loss of tenure, loss of promotion, and other forms of professional retaliation. "We were bombarded by horror stories," Dr. Cummings said. "Their greatest fear was of the gay lobby, which is very strong in the APA.^[61]

Noted homosexual activist and pornographer Clinton Fein, in his article, The Gay Agenda stated: "Homophobic inclinations alone, even without any actions, should be criminal and punishable to the full extent of the law."

Erik Holland, author of The Nature of Homosexuality, perceives that homosexuals have become so reckless in labeling others homophobic that "anyone who questions their labeling someone [is] a homophobe himself. Even quoting factual statistics about the connection between homosexuality and AIDS is allegedly homophobic." In addition, according to pro-homosexual author Vernon A. Wall, "even acceptance of homosexuality can be seen as a form of homophobia, because to talk about the acceptance of homosexuality is to imply that there is something about homosexuality that needs acceptance."^[62]

It may be speculated that if the liberal use of the term homophobia is not primarily a psychological tactic, then it indicates a psychological condition on the part of those who use it in which they imagine that those who oppose them are fearful of them, or of being one. http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_agenda#Strategies_and_psychological_tactics