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Why The Gays Are Winning
http://www.patheos.com ^ | May 20, 2014 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 05/21/2014 3:34:37 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Those who believe in traditional marriage had better get used to it. We’ve lost this battle in the culture wars. The homosexualists have succeeded in framing their situation as a struggle. Increasingly their gay pride will be seen as a struggle for equal rights and those who oppose their proclivities will be branded as racists and once that is accomplished the use of force against those who stand for marriage will begin.

If you want to know why the gays are winning read Robert R. Reilly’s excellent new book Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything. Brad Miner has an excellent review of the book here. I can’t add much to Brad’s review. He’s written what I would have written. The best thing about the book is that Reilly explains what’s happening within the gay agenda with an objective, critical stance. He simply reports what’s going on. Just the facts ma’am. The most brilliant thing is that he does so without reference to the Catholic faith, the Bible or any other religious connection. This makes his argument all the stronger for he allows the facts to speak for themselves and never has to pose or get preachy.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; sin
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To: napscoordinator

Especially considering that Bryant’s campaign to overturn Dade County’s anti-discrimination ordinance overwhelmingly succeeded with 69% of the vote.

Didn’t matter to them.


41 posted on 05/21/2014 4:09:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

And no one in the media to call out this immoral garbage. Faux News is in the tank with the sodomites the exact same way the other liberal channels are.


42 posted on 05/21/2014 4:09:33 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: Mr Rogers

### They are winning because the large majority of Americans have turned their backs on God. They are a symptom, not the problem. ###

Hmmmm, an overwhelming number of Americans belive in God. There is only a small percentage of gays by comparison.

They do tend to talk about themselves quite a bit.


43 posted on 05/21/2014 4:10:12 PM PDT by jcon40
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To: PapaNew
The unconstitutional 1964 Civil Rights Act emboldening even more unconstitutional federal interference later.

Yep. If not for the force of government holding it up, the whole "culture war" issue of pretend marriages between homosexuals would be dead in the water.

44 posted on 05/21/2014 4:10:36 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: NKP_Vet
I don't disagree with the author but he left out the fact that federal judges are ignoring natural law and the will of the people and forcing this crap on us.

We'll see if Corbett has a spine now. Burn up his phone lines.

45 posted on 05/21/2014 4:11:10 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: NKP_Vet

Oh I’ll never “get used to it”. It’s just that as a legal battle, it sure appears to be over and we lost.


46 posted on 05/21/2014 4:12:35 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Finny

Yup...and going out with the tide...


47 posted on 05/21/2014 4:15:50 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: NKP_Vet
The most brilliant thing is that he does so without reference to the Catholic faith, the Bible or any other religious connection.

Well, that's stupid. Homosexuality is satanic and its metastasizing is evidence that the Lord has turned our world over to a reprobate mind. People who cannot see that we battle not against flesh and blood are a big part of the problem.

48 posted on 05/21/2014 4:15:59 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Da Coyote
And thanks to their immeasurable obnoxiousness, when the pendulum swings back....it will be very unpleasant.

You got that right. My wise, wise ol' ma, well-read and schooled in human nature, warned a long time ago that when the pendulum swings back from the horrific era of promiscuity that has visited the last few generations of Americans, it will make the Victorians look loose.

I expect she's right, as she pretty much always is, dammit.

There's nothing new under the sun. No matter the technology or "social media" or texting or anything else, human nature is fixed, and so are God's laws. Just like gravity, there whether we like them or not.

49 posted on 05/21/2014 4:16:14 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: napscoordinator

And of course then came AIDS, now they gained a lot of sympathy as a result as well.


50 posted on 05/21/2014 4:16:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jcon40
Hmmmm, an overwhelming number of Americans belive in God.

But what kind of God is it?

51 posted on 05/21/2014 4:17:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Telepathic Intruder
That it’s nowhere to be found in the DNA for all the silly stupid claims they make that they’re “born that way”?

That's exactly what I concentrated and posted on for years here at FR and other places, yet some are simply not interested or too dense to understand what is being said.

In other forums I've been asking anybody and everybody to provide a link to a study supporting the born-that-way theory and for the most part I get no takers. Every once in a while somebody will post a link to a study they think supports their position but it's obvious they didn't understand the study, they didn't read the study or somebody else told them the study supported the born- that-way theory.

We have a nation of people who can't think for themselves.

52 posted on 05/21/2014 4:18:00 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Salvation
I think we're past the point where the great chastisement can be avoided, but certainly don't stop praying!!!

Threatened Chastisement from Garabandal Vision (unapproved)

53 posted on 05/21/2014 4:19:34 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: scripter

There may be .01% of cases where they truly are “born that way”, like any genetic defect.

But in most cases, it’s learned or acquired, especially in cases where they are molested as children.


54 posted on 05/21/2014 4:19:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NKP_Vet
Calling homosexuals winners is like calling Judas, Herod,Caiaphas and Pilot winners. If winning a ticket to hell and eternal separation from God is victorious than we have reached the age when evil is called good and good is called evil. People ignore the fact that this sinful life style is a choice that leads to serious disease and death, promiscuity, mental illness, depression, fractured relationships, and short lived depressing lives for the most part. They trend to have higher rates of early death from suicide, violence, pedophiles, serious spread of sexual disease from using human anatomy in a manner it was never designed to be used. They have destroyed every society in human history that openly allowed homosexuality in their culture.

You can make these arguments without using religion that homosexuality harms society as a whole just like slavery did and do so without using religion, even though our laws are formulated under the Judeo Christian ethic and moral guide within the framework of fundamental law. I would not want to live under Chinese law with one child type moral policy or Sharia law that puts homosexuals to death. But a world that allows recognition of same sex marriage is condoning all the ills and destruction that the behavior inflicts on our society. For the same reason that legalizing drugs is a bad idea so is normalizing same sex marriage. They still lose, society loses, the devil wins with more souls going to hell, and the only victory belongs to the one who conquered sin and death, and that is Jesus. The victory was on the cross and all who chose to follow Jesus find happiness and life and more abundantly.

55 posted on 05/21/2014 4:22:50 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Da Coyote

And thanks to their immeasurable obnoxiousness, when the pendulum swings back....it will be very unpleasant.

History shows that gays have come “out” and been pushed back into the so-called closet~~maybe this is one reason why!


56 posted on 05/21/2014 4:27:09 PM PDT by Isabel2010
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To: Finny

Government wants the people to believe IT is God. That’s where the are winning. When you free the masses of personal responsibility, they are free to sin without consequences... In this life, anyway.


57 posted on 05/21/2014 4:27:18 PM PDT by rintense
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To: dfwgator

### Hmmmm, an overwhelming number of Americans belive in God.

But what kind of God is it? ###

A Kind GOD I would suppose

He is The Winner too.

Regardless of what a few mortals may think is fashionable

Im disppointed but not worried


58 posted on 05/21/2014 4:27:32 PM PDT by jcon40
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To: LucianOfSamasota
We can only pray that God will cause the hearts of this people to return to Him.

Yes, but we can also recognize and throw-off a government force that officially thwarts one's ability to adhere to the Judeo-Christian standard and indeed coerces individuals to fund its opposite.

Government is a force that serves to coerce people away from God. The Founders called for limited government. They used government conservatively, sparingly.

The reality is that in every election, Democrats systematically gin votes by GOTV drives, bussing homeless folks to the polls, harvesting elderly from homes to vote, etc., etc., not to mention multiple voting, fraudulent voting, illegals voting -- it happens every election. Read the news.

On the ground, however, real Americans are disgusted and distressed. Nearly two in three, not quite I don't think, but close, 2 in 3, are sick of liberalism, sick of amorality, sick of government, and sick of a biased media. The news media is held in huge contempt by Americans.

I think God would be pleased, will be pleased, when the majority is able to throw off an anti-God force put into place by a fraudulent minority, assisted by an illusion-spinning media. Obama-style liberals are probably, in real numbers on the ground, a little more than one of every three Americans.

59 posted on 05/21/2014 4:29:52 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

“Now our government punishes crosses, bibles, prayer”

Nazi Germany comes to mind. At much as half of the gestapo were sodomites.


60 posted on 05/21/2014 4:31:21 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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