Why The Gays Are Winning

http://www.patheos.com ^ | May 20, 2014 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

[NKP_Vet]

Those who believe in traditional marriage had better get used to it. We’ve lost this battle in the culture wars. The homosexualists have succeeded in framing their situation as a struggle. Increasingly their gay pride will be seen as a struggle for equal rights and those who oppose their proclivities will be branded as racists and once that is accomplished the use of force against those who stand for marriage will begin.

If you want to know why the gays are winning read Robert R. Reilly’s excellent new book Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything. Brad Miner has an excellent review of the book here. I can’t add much to Brad’s review. He’s written what I would have written. The best thing about the book is that Reilly explains what’s happening within the gay agenda with an objective, critical stance. He simply reports what’s going on. Just the facts ma’am. The most brilliant thing is that he does so without reference to the Catholic faith, the Bible or any other religious connection. This makes his argument all the stronger for he allows the facts to speak for themselves and never has to pose or get preachy.

[Chickensoup]

Homosexuality is not so much winning, as the political set up requires that the will of the people be overturned by members of the oligarchy. The people of the United States did not approve of homosexual marriage, the will was overturned by activist, leftist judges.

[Cementjungle]

Why The Gays Are Winning

Because Obama is pushing it. Obama hates the USA, and this is one of many things he's doing to insure our demise.

[scripter]

Here's what I've said for years. There is no evidence same-sex attraction has it's roots in DNA but homosexuals (for the most part) do not choose their same-sex attraction. Some ask: if they're not born that way and they don't choose it, from where does it originate. It's really quite complex.

Every study I've seen on the subject has a reference to environment which is a very key factor.

Besides the example you provided, there are:

• LUGS (Lesbians Until Graduation)
• Michale Glatz: founded Young Gay American magazine and walked away from the lifestyle
• Charlene Cothran: Owns Venus Magazine which was created for lesbians and now she uses it to help lesbians out of the lifestyle
• http://www.queerbychoice.com/
• and many others

After years of studying the subject I think it's best to say homosexuals are confused about their sexuality.

[ThePatriotsFlag]

I prefer ‘extinctionists’ As Darwin (didn’t) say ‘the wages of sin are extinction’

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The good thing about it is that it tends to "contain and restrict" the gene pool. If it is a behavior brought on by genetics, then they will not be passed forward, the phenomenon will thusly eliminate itself. If it does proceed and develop, then it is not genetic, it is behavioral and a deviant behavior.

[rxtn41]

I agree ;very good analysis!

[boop]

Yep. Who EVER thought that when it comes to sexual mores, that the Russians of all people would teach the West about sexual roles.

In Russia, men are expected to be MEN, and women are expected to be feminine.

Homosexuality is verboten. And Russians don't tolerate it.

Russian women just don't respect a "metrosexual" man.

[stevio]

Truth.

[Viennacon]

Exactly. Interestingly enough, in South Africa, the only country on that continent with homosexual marriage, the vast majority of people believe sodomy is immoral, and opposition to it has actually increased in the last ten years.

If the ANC could be toppled, it might be possible to have that country repeal it.

[scripter]

I don't know how many of the following links are still valid. There's a lot of information here:

The Homosexual Agenda

Center for Disease Control

Diagnoses of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2009
Diagnoses of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2008
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2007
Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2006
Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2005
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States, 2004 (Published in 2006)
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States, 2003
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Risk, Prevention, and Testing Behaviors --- United States, National HIV Behavioral Surveillance System: Men Who Have Sex with Men, November 2003--April 2005
HIV among Gay, Bisexual and Other Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)
HIV/AIDS among Women

Science

Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids
What do clinical studies say?
NARTH Responds with 'Good Science and Demonstrable Clinical Experience' at the Annual Conference
"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project
The Three Myths About Homosexuality
New Evidence Found for Childhood Family Factors Influencing Sexual Orientation
Environmental factors may influence sexual orientation
The Study The Media Ignored
How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together
Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic
The Importance of Twin Studies
The Fading "Gay Gene"
The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science
HIV infection and risk behaviours among young gay and bisexual men in Vancouver
My Genes Made Me Do It! - Homosexuality and the Scientific Evidence
"This is the Way God Made Me" A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the "Gay Gene"
Genetics and Homosexuality: Are People Born Gay? The Biological Basis for Sexual Orientation

Ex-Gay

'Groundbreaking' study shows 'gays' can change
APA Has No Disagreement With the Treatment of Unwanted Homosexual Attraction
How a 'gay rights' leader became straight
Venus Magazine
I Do Exist
People Can Change
Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
Ex-gay Video Testimonials
Spitzer Study Published: Evidence Found for Effectiveness of Reorientation Therapy
The cure for homosexuality: solution that brought him out of 'gay' life
Ex-Gay is Okay

Health Hazards

A Guide for Gay Men and Cancer Prevention
Syphilis rise amongst gay men
Barebacking
Sodomy: A Public Health Risk
Gay, Lesbian and Transgender Health
The Health Risks of Gay Sex
"Steamed" Detroit a syphilis hotbed
Syphilis increase sparks AIDS concerns
U.S. sees HIV cases rise among gay, bisexual men
Gay Men Meeting Online Contracting Syphilis Faster
Health Concerns for Gay Men

Bug Chasers

Bug Chasers:The men who long to be HIV+
Acting Up
Bugchasing

Schools

California passes bill mandating pro-gay teaching in schools, no parent opt-out
California Gov Signs Landmark Law to Teach Gay History
Judge orders 'gay' agenda taught to Christian children
Teaching Homosexuality in Public Schools
As California mandate looms, some LGBT curriculum already in place
Queering the Schools

Misc

Queer by Choice
Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well Intentioned Path to Harm
Not Born This Way
The Overhauling of Straight America: Waging peace Part Two
After the Ball: How America will Conquer it's fear and hatred of Gays
Homosexuality: What's all the fuss?
Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)
A Gay ( or not! ) Old Time- GM links (backhoe's links)
Americans for Truth About Homosexuality
What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda
Is This Gay Behavior Sick?
Meet 'Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA'

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Simon LeVay

Simon LeVay is a scientist who also happens to be gay. Here is what LeVay said regarding his own research:

"[His 1991 research] made the unassuming LeVay one of the most misunderstood men in America. "It's important to stress what I didn't find," he points out with the courtly patience of someone who long ago got used to waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. "I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are 'born that way,' the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain--INAH3 is less likely to be the sole gay nucleus of the brain than part of a chain of nuclei engaged in men and women's sexual behavior. My work is just a hint in that direction--a spur, I hope, to future work."

Source: Interview with David Nimmons (March, 1994) "Sex and the Brain", Discover, Vol. 15, No. 3, p. 64-71.

In 1973 the APA (American Psychiatric Association) declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. According to LeVay, it wasn't science that propelled the APAs change, he said

"Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."

Source: Simon LeVay, Queer Science, MIT Press, 1996, p. 224

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Dr. Robert Spitzer

Dr. Spitzer is best recognized in psychiatric history for his scientific role in 1973—he led the team that investigated whether homosexuality should be removed from the psychiatric manual. Since then Spitzer has changed his mind that homosexuals can change.

"Like most psychiatrists," says Dr. Spitzer, "I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change."

You can read more of Spitzer here.

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[Secret Agent Man]

the leaders of the left know this.

it is why they want laws based on their morals.

they kmow any law is based on someone’s morals. they may claim otherwise but they know it’s true. the question is whose morals are the laws going to reflect, yours or your enemies’?

[DungeonMaster]

The same reason they won in Sodom.

[scripter]

Anybody want more information then they care for? There's just a wealth of information at the FreeRepublic link below. I think most of the categorical links no longer work but the information below the links are quite informative:

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)

[bonfire]

I don’t believe at the age of 50 it’s about sex at all. Your scenario sounds made up. I would bet if you really asked woman that age ‘why’ they switched teams, sex would not be the #1 reason.

Many, if not most, women have gone through menopause by the age of 50. Sex drive is diminished.

[libertymaker]

Good point. I choose not to accept or acknowledge homosexual marriage. Just ignore the homo's.

At most they will never represent more than 5% of the population. They will always be a tiny portion of society. They will always be looked at as abnormal, immoral, unhealthy and just plain disgusting. They can never force people to accept them or like them. Ignore them.

Protect your family, especially children, from their influence to the best of your ability. Be bold in your defense of traditional marriage, as it has existed for three thousand years. They are the abnormal ones.

[NKP_Vet]

Russia is sounding better and better every day.

[Telepathic Intruder]

Any of your points are fertile grounds for debate. Although you’d make a good sparring partner in this sense, I fear we agree too much. Unlike animals, we do have a spiritual side to us, not totally explained by nature. Nature itself is a good teacher, but a horrible master. We were made to conquer it, not for it to conquer us.

Say, for example, we return control of the planet back to nature, as the nice progressives believe. No more rubbing sticks together to make fire, no more trading bear skins for corn grown on land cleared of trees. Would we be better off? History shows that primitive societies are wiped out by the predatory ones until they learn to adopt the most ruthless means of defense available. In the same sense, we are facing another predatory enemy.

[NKP_Vet]

My scenario is not made up. I lived in Portland, Oregon for years. One of the biggest homosexual populations in the country. I know many lesbians. Most lesbians that I know like multiple partners.It is normal lesbian behavior for three lesbians to be living together, sleeping in the same bed. They think nothing of it. It is sex to them and nothing else! Most homosexual men like to prey on young teenage boys and the more the merrier. Homo men do not like to be tied down to one man. That’s why the AIDs epidemic was so bad. Predator homosexuals sleeping with anything they would jump in the bed with them.

[stylin19a]

winning at what ? they are still gay, they are still HIV susceptible....hey don't look at me, blame the CDC

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States.

still scratchin my head why "and other men who have sex with men" aren't part of the 1st two goups.

[scripter]

I agree - we’d probably agree on a lot here. Even if we didn’t I’m not interested anymore. Just trying to post some helpful info.