i have absolutely no problem judging pedophiles, nor casting the first stone...I don't think the Bible teaches it the they are saying and they also say that this is what their preacher teaches....
I'd like to hear from my fellow freepers on this...
Have a blessed Easter...
The whole lesson is to look at yourself first before you judge.
The Bible calls us to judge whether our leaders are “above reproach”(1 Tim 3).
I think the Bible is referring to “condemning”. Everyone judges. When someone says you are judging someone, they are judging you.
People love taking and twisting Scripture out of context. Usually whatever they are taking out of context is whatever they do or don’t want to happen to them, or to permit or not permit them to do something.
In this case people who don’t want any criticism for what they are doing in their lives say this.
They forget that the verses’ contexts are not that you can never judge something or anyone, but that you do not judge them any different than you would judge yourself - ie not to judge hypocritically, but rather, to judge righteously.
If we could never judge, we could never tell someone they wronged us, they could never apologize, nobody would ever learn correct behavior versus incorrect behavior. Nobody would ever have a chance to grow morally and spiritually as a Christian.
It’s an utter ridiculous statement to make. It gets tiring hearing it thrown about again and again.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Check the log in your own eye before you point out the speck in someone else’s
If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin.
This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person and restoration to the fellowship.
We are to speak the truth in love We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.
We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences.
The bible verses associated with this is often the woman accused of adultery. What most commentators fail to mention is the legal aspects of the witnesses who are required to testify. Two or more witnesses were required for a criminal charge and a witness had to have integrity. Also, the witnesses were required to throw the first stones.
When Jesus asked that those who are without sin to cast first stone, he was proving that the woman could not be found guilty under the law.
alot of references, here are a few:
Luke 6:37
Matthew 7:1
Romans 2:
Mainly the theme is “Judge not, lest thee be judged”
Anytime a liberal uses bible verses they are advancing their agenda. Some of the most abused are “brother’s keeper” and “turn the other cheek.” You will notice they never bring up leviticus.
Galatians 6
1Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted
The verse “thou shalt not judge” is not an ending. It continues on with “lest ye be judged”. It doesn’t say “don’t condemn immoral behavior”. It means “don’t be a hypocrite.”
If you are honest, you can call out liars. If you are loyal to your partner, you can criticize and condemn an adulterer. But don’t cheat on your wife only to criticize a man with a mistress.
The line has also been taken up by many liberal Christians (and liberals in general) to shut down Christians who condemn their activities. They reply to criticism of immorality with “God says don’t judge!” Actually, God and Christians should judge. It doesn’t mean don’t call out murderers, thieves, rapists and liars. It means don’t call them out and punish them harshly for what you yourself do.
The misinterpretation is promoted by the liberal media and political establishment to shut down any condemnation of their evils.
I may be guilty of judging, and that might be one more thing where I need that forgiveness. I surely hate the idea of being judged by those standards I have applied to others from time to time.
Most of the time, when this is heard, it is because it has been pointed out that certain behaviors are wrong.
The person being addressed, then perhaps feeling a bit of conviction due to the wrong (sinful) behavior being addressed, counters with ‘Don’t judge me’. It is meant to shut you up, similar to ‘racist’ ‘bigot’ ‘homophobe’ are used.
Calling out a wrong behavior is NOT judging. I can see and know, based on the Bible and scripture, if a behavior is sin. And it is ok to identify and address it.
Judgement is for God to do. I can NOT judge who will go to Hell. But I can see behaviors and in love say “If you continue down that path, if you do not consider and change your ways, Hell probably awaits”.
But our society has gone far down the road of moral relativism. “ Who are YOU to say what is right for ME?”
Speaking the Truth, Biblically, and in love, is not judging. It is God and His Word that will judge.
i have absolutely no problem judging pedophiles, nor casting the first stone...You’re right, the Bible does not teach us to refrain from judgment of behavior. Scripture actually tells us to make a righteous judgment. Peter called Ananias and Saphira liars; Paul called the Galatians fools.
The Bible lays out a standard for us to live by. We have to be able to judge between right and wrong...how else can we be truthful and accurate about the Bible’s message?
When you hear someone say, “Oh, you can’t judge!”, it usually tends to be someone who is more of a moral relativist instead of someone who stands by the Bible’s firm moral absolutes.
Those folks often try to use Jesus’s words in Matthew 7 to prove their point:
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:3-5)
When you read it, you see that He is telling us HOW to judge, not that we should refrain from judging...”and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” In other words, don’t judge a behavior if you’re doing the same thing yourself.
John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
1 Corinthians 6:2-3 "Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?"
1 Corinthians 11:31 "But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged."
James 4:11 "Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it."
And the grand-daddy of 'em all, Romans 14:
1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.
2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way.
14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
18 For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.
19 So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another.
20 Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense.
21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles.
22 The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin."
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“Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For with the judgment you use,[a] you will be judged, and with the measure you use,[b] it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, there’s a log in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. 6 Don’t give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.
“"Judgment is not necessary."”
Not judging is difficult. This indicates a good chance that it's good advice. It's so satisfying to point out the imperfections of others, especially if one has self-image problems. The rationalization that one is helping or showing love by pointing out to others the error of their ways is more often veiled scolding for self-satisfaction.
Judgment also relates to other deadly sins, pride and jealousy for example.
Judgment can be positive or negative, but it sounds like most only think of it as negative. Explore that the Bible does not differentiate between the two, and neither did the Eastern Philosophers.
I readily admit that I cannot say that I fully understand with specificity what it means to ‘judge not lest ye be judged’. But I will verbalize what it means to me. I can tell someone knowing I have no authority to send anyone, for them to ‘go to .ell’. However, I have no authority to tell someone they are going to .ell’, or judge that is where they will end up going.
I think it means making an assessment of any person’s ultimate end.
Welcome and maintain your principles with non-believers, but God is their judge.