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Answering Protestants ^ | 7 March 2014 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 03/07/2014 10:14:06 AM PST by matthewrobertolson

Only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving "Romeo & Juliet" and hating Shakespeare's explanation of it.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; General Discusssion; Theology
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To: LurkingSince'98

Non-Catholics throw out unsupported man-made tradition in favor of the Word of God.

It’s not a tough choice.


101 posted on 03/08/2014 2:39:33 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: daniel1212

The Catholic Church is the steward of scripture. God started one church, the Catholic Church.


102 posted on 03/08/2014 2:39:51 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: unlearner

AMEN, brother.


103 posted on 03/08/2014 2:42:47 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NKP_Vet; xone

Wow....

You know the mind of God and what He’s doing in heaven?

I don’t think so........


104 posted on 03/08/2014 2:44:27 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NKP_Vet

Yeah, Jesus talked of it, the Catholic church is the third steward. Matt 24:13-30. He hid his charge in the ground as well, preferring instead his ideas.


105 posted on 03/08/2014 2:45:27 PM PST by xone
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To: NKP_Vet; xone; Gamecock
When Christ spoke of the Church, He always used the singular — and yet now there are over 40,000 different denominations of Christians in the world, with the number only rising daily. If these Churches hold conflicting views, can all of them be the “True Church”? Can there be such a thing as a “True Church”, and does it still exist? Join host Michael Voris as he answers these questions and shows that the One True Church is the Catholic Church

Catholics, having no clue at all what the true church is, will NEVER understand it.

As long as they think of the church as an organization or denomination, they will remain clueless about it.

Thanks for demonstrating that.

106 posted on 03/08/2014 2:46:53 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NKP_Vet

So true. Will they come back?


107 posted on 03/08/2014 2:47:01 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet; Gamecock
Christ started a very visible Church and that is the Catholic Church, whether protestants want to believe it or not.

They can claim it all they want. It proves nothing. There is not one reference in all of Scripture telling us that the Catholic church is the one true church.

108 posted on 03/08/2014 2:48:39 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: terycarl
sure it did...only the Catholic church was there at the time. They edited it, wrote it, copied it (by hand), and preserved it through 2,000 years so that you would have it to enjoy.....say "Thanks Catholics"!!!

They wrote the OT, thousands of years before the Catholic church even existed.

That's pretty impressive.

What gall to take credit for itself the work of God.

We have the Bible. Say *Thanks Holy Spirit*.

109 posted on 03/08/2014 2:52:36 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

And Christ knew he was going to ascend into heaven so he told the Apostles that he would be with them always. He founded the Church on the Apostles to carry on his work. At Pentecost they were blessed with the Holy Spirit (Acts) and went forth to build Christ’s Church.


110 posted on 03/08/2014 2:56:59 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
He founded the Church on the Apostles to carry on his work.

He assigned them the task of preaching the gospel and making disciples.

HE has the authority and HE sent them out with that job.

So what do Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit was given for since they take credit for themselves for the work of the Holy Spirit. What's the Holy Spirit there for anyway, according to Catholics?

111 posted on 03/08/2014 3:08:46 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation

Yup.

Ever since Frank was elected Pope we see every FRoman Catholic telling us what HE really said. How many little Popes do we have on FR?? How many folks are on your ping list. That is a good start.


112 posted on 03/08/2014 3:17:20 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Each one with his or her own interpretation of Frank’s words; 1.2 billion different interpretations of them.


113 posted on 03/08/2014 3:20:20 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NKP_Vet; Gamecock
The Catholic Church is the steward of scripture. God started one church, the Catholic Church.

What!? That is a mere assertion, and not at all an answer to the question which your assertion requires to be answered. This is the third time, so either answer it or admit you cannot give an actual answer, and thus the often repeated we-gave-you-the-Bible assertion has no real weight.

For if it is to have any real import, it seems to be arguing that being an instrument and steward of Scripture makes such the infallible authority on it, so that those who dissent from these stewards are rebels against God. If not, then why invoke? Affirm or deny?

114 posted on 03/08/2014 4:03:47 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

You would rather have this drunk deciding what is divinely inspired?

(Letter to Melanchthon, August 1, 1521, American Edition, Luther’s Works, vol. 48, pp. 281-82).

Quote:
“If we allow them - the Commandments - any influence in our conscience, they become the cloak of all evil, heresies and blasphemies”
(Comm. ad Galat, p.310).

Quote:
“Moses must ever be looked upon with suspicion, even as upon a heretic, excommunicated, damned, worse than the Pope and the devil”
(Commentary on Galatians).

Quote:
“I will not have Moses with his Law, for he is the enemy of the Lord Christ”
(Tischreden (Table Talk), L.C.12.s.17).

Quote:
“When the devil comes to tempt and harass you . . . indulge some sin in hatred of the evil spirit and to torment him . . . otherwise we are beaten if we are too nervously sensitive about guarding against sin . . . I tell you, we must put all the Ten Commandments, with which the devil tempts and plagues us so greatly, out of sight and out of mind.”


115 posted on 03/08/2014 4:16:21 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: Just mythoughts
It is not clear what you are referring to, but the keys of the kingdom is the gospel, as it is by faith in it, and the Christ of it, that one is placed in that kingdom. As said. (Acts 1:13) There is no other way, and it is no thru praying to the Mary of Rome .
116 posted on 03/08/2014 4:20:36 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: unlearner

He demonstrates his authority in recounting the need for him to publicly reprove Peter.


Yes, in fact Paul publicly accused Peter which is what Jesus plainly said not to do.

Matthew 18:15-17
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

Paul actually told the whole world, which shows that no one is perfect, not the apostles including Paul, taking his word that he was an apostle.

However our only hope is in the Gospel and resurrection of Jesus and this was recorded so that we will not have to take any one elses word for what he said.


117 posted on 03/08/2014 4:37:15 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: daniel1212

Not Mary of Rome - instead Blessed Mary - Mother of God:

References to the Virgin Mary as being blessed in found in the Holy Bible. The first instance is in Luke 1:28 when the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary to announce to her that she would be the mother of the Lord Jesus.

“And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: BLESSED art thou among women.” [Lk. 1:28]

The next instance is when Elizabeth was with the Holy Spirit, she stated that Mary was blessed.

“And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: BLESSED art thou among women, and BLESSED is the fruit of thy womb.” [Lk. 1:42]

Then there is when Mary sang the Magnificat that is found in Luke 1:46-55.

“Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me BLESSED.” [Lk. 1:48] (all generations except for protestants)

Finally, there is another reference during the ministry of Jesus when a woman raised her voice in the crowd and said, “BLESSED is the womb that bore you and the breasts that nursed you!”

“And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: BLESSED is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck.” [Lk. 11:27]

To Catholics she is Blessed Mary, Mother of God - I personally don’t give a rat’s butt what you think about her or our Church.

as I said all generations will call Mary Blessed - but yours.

Ad majoram Dei Gloriam


118 posted on 03/08/2014 4:43:40 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: daniel1212
Christ did call out Peter and Matthew 16:17 and Christ did give ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven;’....

We can know without any religious organization what those keys consist. The keys now claimed to be Peter's keys have been cut and re-cut so many times there is not semblances of recognition of what was actually given.

One must need to at least have a primers understanding of the Gospel to have faith in it. Christ came in the volume of the Book, from Genesis to Revelation. In Revelation to one of the unblemished churches holds the key to David, in which: ‘These things saith He That is Holy, He That is True, He That hath the key of David, He That openeth, and no man shutteth, and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Key(s) makes for an interesting study.

119 posted on 03/08/2014 4:53:52 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: LurkingSince'98
In Scripture, the Holy Spirit calls her *mother of Jesus*.

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”

Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.

Scripture is clear in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.

120 posted on 03/08/2014 4:58:55 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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