Posted on 03/07/2014 10:14:06 AM PST by matthewrobertolson
Only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving "Romeo & Juliet" and hating Shakespeare's explanation of it.
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At least we don’t have a potty mouth Pope who robs corpses!
(See how hyperbole leads to hyperbole?;
Nope ... and neither does your Douay-Rheims
they threw out:
the Blessed Mother- Kept the scriptural Mary, tossed the one with supernatural powers
bishops- Tossed the rulers and lords over the church IAW 1Peter 5:3
ordained priests- Have ordained servants of the Word, all Christians are priests, 1 Peter 2:5-9
the Eucahrist,- The Eucharist is still there, just not the unscriptural transubstantiation. IAW Christ's words Matt 26:26-29
seven books of the bible- the same seven Jerome rejected until pressed. We'll have to learn how to drive a demon away by burning his liver, elsewhere.
the crucifix- Not gone at all either is acceptable and commendable. Fixation to the point of idolatry on either the crucifix or plain cross is the problem, corrected by the right instruction
religious icons-same as the above to the extent that they depict biblical truths rather than amorphous traditions
saints,- We killed the saints? All Christians are saints. 1 Cor 6:1-3
the Mystical Body- No, didn't get rid of that either, just the unscriptural practice of invoking the saints and the unscriptural practice of praying to any but God as Christ instructs. John 14:14, Matt. 6:9 and by the Apostle 1 Cor 1:2
physically going to Church on the Lord’s Day- I didn't know this, I could stay in bed. Hyperbolic.
and One Truth- As obscured as it is in Catholicism again we agree with Christ in John 17:17.
and faithful who say they often don’t agree with their minister.
Haven't been on the papal threads then lately. Should be calling out your brethren rather than non-Catholics.
“Only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving ‘Romeo & Juliet’ and hating Shakespeare’s explanation of it.”
THE CHURCH is made up of the people who are indwelled by the Holy Spirit because they have believed the Gospel that Christ commanded His Church to proclaim.
This has always been the case since the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost. Apostles were commissioned to found the Church and were required to provide proof of their apostolic authority which included being eye-witnesses to the risen Christ. This apostolic authority is preserved for us today in their writings. (See 2 Peter 1:15.)
Believers are collectively indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Therefore believers do need other believers to receive all of the benefits and blessings of the Holy Spirit as God has fashioned His Church so that each part serves a purpose. Each is needed and needs the other parts.
The idea that believers need help from other believers, i.e. THE CHURCH is not foreign to scripture, but the Catholic concept of reserving to itself and its hierarchy the title of CHURCH is foreign to the message of the Bible and of the Gospel in general.
When the disciples debated over who would be greatest, Christ rebuked this and taught them a different model of leadership. When God ordained that Paul would be an apostle to the Gentiles, He ordered it so that his apostleship did not rely on any other apostles. “neither did I confer with those who were apostles before me...” Paul wrote.
Further, the Catholic idea of apostolic tradition “was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time” is completely foreign to the Biblical basis which it claims. Paul left Timothy to appoint elders (or bishops if you prefer) in each city. These had leadership roles within the church in their geographic boundary which comprised the local churches.
We can find proof from numerous examples that the Gospel was preached, people believed and were baptized into the church without this so-called continuous line. There were those who preached and did works in Christ’s name whom the disciples wanted to forbid because they “follow not with us”. What did Christ reply? “Forbid them not.” Apollos was not trained by the apostles but was recorded in scripture as being an influential preacher of the Gospel. Further, Christ appointed multiple apostles and did not leave a solitary apostle in charge of the others. And Paul was ordained to fulfill his calling as an apostle, not through the other apostles, but through the leaders of the local church in Antioch where he served. And in Revelation, Christ commends those believers who do not blindly follow those who claim apostolic authority but rather put these claims to the test. They tested these claims and found them fraudulent. Revelation, the last book of the canon of scripture, warns of those who want to add or take away from it. The canon has been closed, faithfully sealed by God and preserved by His divine power so that no matter who has opposed its spread and proclamation (even among those who claim to be its keeper), the Bible has prevailed.
And let’s not forget expalining away ghastly sins commited by their figurehead.
AMEN!!!
Well, those that left didn’t ‘gain’ that in the listing, I wonder why your point wasn’t mentioned in the things ‘thrown out’. I’m confident we’ll find out.
“The Church came before the 4 Gospels, not the other way around” ~ Pope John Paul II
“and faithful who say they often don’t agree with their minister.”
Not sure what “exactly” you meant there, but my pastor tells us to not blindly believe what he says. We should check it with God’s word. If we find a conflict we are to go with God’s word.
I don’t need a priest or pastor to tell me what the bible says.
I CAN READ. I can also discern. I can research. I have the Holy Spirit, a helper.
John 14:
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you.
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Yep, just not the Catholic one that we know today. But it is a good reference by the former Pope to the true church comprised of all the believers in Christ.
He was talking about the Church that protestants broke away from in the 16th Century. God never intended for a German monk to splinter his Pilgrim Church on Earth. He weeps.
At the gross idolatry of the Papacy, the soul destroying works righteousness, the appropriation of secular power when His kingdom was not of this world.
The German monk was the messenger that returned Christianity to its former self. Returned scripture to the people so that all could read and hear the words of His Gospel. God's hand of providence is clearly seen in the fact that the Pope's former weapons of excommunication and the interdict were ineffective. Still the Catholic church doubled down on its heresy claiming entrance to heaven depended on their approval, something they never bothered to check on with the King of Heaven before promulgation. The second sword of the papacy was stricken from the pope's hand by the kingdoms of the earth, the first, the spiritual, stricken by God Himself.
Circular logic at its finest.
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in Heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” [Matthew 16]
baruch HaShem
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
> baruch HaShem
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> shalom b’SHEM Yah’shua HaMashiach
Thank you, my brother.
This has always been the case since the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost.
This happened 14 to 17 years after Pauls conversion and was hardly mentioned by Paul but is very plain in acts 15.
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