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Our New Albigensian Age
Crisis Magazine ^
| September 17, 2013
| Stephen M. Krason
Posted on 09/17/2013 5:42:00 AM PDT by NYer
In an old (1950) monograph entitled The Truth about the Inquisition, Dr. John A. OBrien, a Notre Dame history professor of the time, provides a brief but interesting exposé of the Albigensian heresy. Few people recall that that almost maniacal rebellion against Catholic teaching and, for that matter, commonsensical and civilized living was the trigger for the much-misunderstood Inquisition. OBriens discussion makes one think of many aspects of our current civilizational crisis, even though the comparison could not have been so evident in 1950.
The Albigensians, or Catharists, were neo-Manicheans, regarding material creation as an evil and viewing all of existence as a conflict between evil matter and good spiritbut OBrien says it was much more. Like all Gnostics, of which Manicheanism was a branch, they believed themselves to be the only pure ones and the only ones to have the truth. They were certainly a forerunner of Protestantism and even more specifically of the most ardent of contemporary fundamentalists, with their complete rejection of the Real Presence, transubstantiation, the Eucharist, and the Mass, and their belief that the pope was the Antichrist. Their teaching and practice, however, had enormous implications for marriage, sexual morality, and social and political life.
The parallels to the present are almost uncanny. While hatred for the Church is nothing new, the visceral character of the Albigensians hatred bears a resemblance to the ugliest side of the Reformation and todays assaults on religion. For example, OBrien tells us how the Albigensians were known for indiscriminately chopping down crosses and stamping on them. In America today, we see the relentless efforts by rabid, uncompromising church-state separationist groups to remove all religious symbols from public places and the heightened vandalism of crosses and other Christian monuments.
The sexual libertinism, views about marriage, and feminism of our time resemble the Albigensian heresy. While the Albigensians considered sex an inherent evil, it seems as if it was not so much sex per se that they rejected but the proper context for it. They utterly rejected marriage, mostly because it meant bringing children into the world. Pregnancy for them was diabolical. Their confusion about sexual matters made them believe that marriage was worse than fornication and adultery. In our time, people dont quite make this claim, but marriage has become irrelevant as the condition for engaging in sexual activity and no judgment is made about the morality of almost any sexual practices. For many, particularly in lower socioeconomic status groups, marriage almost seems obsolete; children are routinely born out-of-wedlock. Others, particularly among the affluent, enter marriageor what is called thatbut have no intention of bearing children. While people may not proclaim pregnancy as evil, they act is if it is in our contracepting age. As OBrien says, for the Albigensians even perversion was preferable to marriage. In our time, we witness the celebration of sexual perversion as a good thingas LGBT pride. While the Albigensians wanted to abolish marriage, we have transformed it into something that they would have lauded: an association devoid of procreative intent or even, in the case of same-sex marriage, capability. As far as traditional, true marriage is concerned, we increasingly give it no special support or even recognition as uniquely important for society. We say that people are free to choose what version of it they preferand be officially affirmed in their choice.
So the Albigensians, who so rejected sex as part of their disdain for the material world and supposedly in the interest of spiritual purity, actually opened the door to sexual debauchery and the corruption of both body and soul. This was typical of Manicheans historically. Some would become extreme ascetics, and others utter hedonists.
Contemporary feminism has a ring of the Albigensian. Instead of equality in marriage, it effectively placed women in a dominant position. As OBrien explains, since pregnancy was despised married women who were converted to Albigensianism unilaterally abrogated their husbands marital rights and consigned them to an enforced celibacy. It was considered sinful and degrading to even touch a woman (even if innocently and in a pure way). This almost rings of the extremes to which sexual harassment has gone in our day. It makes one think of the anti-male ethos in the statements of some of todays feminists. The female dominance was further seen in that a religious punishment of fasting for inter-gender touching could only be imposed on a man, even if the woman did the touching.
Today, abortion seems to have become a positive good for ardent feminists and their fellow-travelers. Its much like the Albigensians, for whom OBrien says abortion was highly to be commended.
The Albigensians anticipated todays assault on human life in other areas, as well. Believing that the seriously ill would gain eternal bliss if they did not recover their health, they encouraged them to commit suicide. In fact, they practiced assisted suicide. The assisted suicide advocates of today are different only in that their methods are (usually) more technologically sophisticated. The Albigensians either suffocated or starved the person. Todays practice in medical facilities of hastening death by withholding nutrition and hydration was what they didexcept it took place in the persons home. Like today, the person was supposedly given a choice: they gave him a choice of these two methods of death, today people sign living wills. Either way, the supposed choice is no real choice. In both eras, there is a coercive backstop. The Albigensian leaders forbade the sick persons family from feeding him, or would forcibly remove him from his home if they werent reliable. In our day, family members may make a choice for death even if the patient didnt want it or, increasingly, the medical authorities do it even when its against the patients or the familys wishes.
The present era, prodded along by the likes of Peter Singer, pushes more and more toward post-partum infanticide. Even on this, the Albigensians were a precursor. They insisted uponeven enforcedamong their followers the starvation of very sick children. To make sure their parents didnt lose their nerve, the sect leaders frequently visited their homes to monitor them. So, the Albigensians also anticipated our eras undermining of parental rights.
While human life was in the crosshairs, animal life was sacrosanct. The Albigensians would never take an animals life. This was because they believed in something like reincarnation, so a dead persons soul might be within an animal. They were a harbinger of todays animal rights thinking. Indeed, their view had its roots in Eastern thought, whose influence in the turbulent 1960s may also have helped fuel our animal rights movement.
The Albigensians unconditionally rejected capital punishment; like current liberalism, it seemed to be the only life issue that troubled them. In fact, they held that the state had no authority to administer justice or punish crime at all. Thus, they undercut one of the most basic rationales for political life, and made unthinkable anything like a rule of law. While this does not seem to conform to our current reality of big, increasingly overbearing government, it does reflect the underlying notion about politics since Thomas Hobbes that the state is not natural to man. That government is an artificial construct to be twisted, used, or expanded in whichever way has underlain most modern political ideologies and its consequence is strikingly evident today as constitutional principles are left behind and executive fiat is substituted for duly enacted law. The Albigensians, in effect, didnt think that government was completely necessary or at least legitimate. That sounds like Rousseau and Marx later ontwo thinkers whose views, in one form or another, resound through the contemporary world. I recall Catholic political scientist Peter V. Sampo once saying that governments inspired by a neo-Gnostic idealike Communist regimes and increasingly todays Western arch-secular statestend to be formless, less prone to limitation and open to unlimited expansion.
The Albigensians even condoned stealing, so long as it was done to the right person (that is, not one of their own sect). This makes me think of eminent social scientist Kenneth Clarks justifying interracial muggings by minorities a few decades ago as an act of social protest, and how some today do not want to hold members of certain favored groups to the same moral standards as others.
Todays secularist eliteso dominant in Western politics, culture, and opinion-makingare dualists, like the Albigensians. Even though the Albigensians rejected the material and they reject the spiritual, the consequences are strikingly similar. Also, like the Albigensians, they think they are all-knowingand the implications for Western culture, as any serious observer realizes, are similarly grave.
TOPICS: Catholic; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: heresy; inquisition
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posted on
09/17/2013 5:42:00 AM PDT
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NYer
To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
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posted on
09/17/2013 5:42:26 AM PDT
by
NYer
( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
To: NYer
Good article. There is nothing new under the sun after all, I guess.
Still, the Pope said something yesterday that I thought was true: there has been some fundamental shift that has occurred in society, and it is impossible to return to what we once had. That is, the entire modern vision of what it means to be human has undergone a profound change, sort of an official adoption of Gnosticism with its complete rejection of physical reality, that makes it impossible for Christians to communicate.
Look at the most elementary of biological facts: men are men and women are women, and no amount of claiming that you are not really what your body is will change that. Yet our society asserts that physical reality means nothing. Since Christianity is based on physical reality (the Incarnation), we Christians find ourselves now living in a completely alien environment where we are speaking and thinking in a suddenly foreign language.
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posted on
09/17/2013 5:56:36 AM PDT
by
livius
To: NYer
They insisted uponeven enforcedamong their followers the starvation of very sick children...While human life was in the crosshairs, animal life was sacrosanct. The Albigensians would never take an animals life. This was because they believed in something like reincarnation, so a dead persons soul might be within an animal.
It never occurred to them that they might be "reincarnated" as a sick child? Or that an alive person's soul resided in a sick child?
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posted on
09/17/2013 5:57:19 AM PDT
by
WayneS
(Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
To: NYer
Generally a good article.
However, it should be remembered that almost everything we know about the Albigensians was written by their enemies, at a time when rhetoric against one’s enemies (or the enemies of God) was often unrestrained by anything resembling respect for truth.
Check out what the same people at this time said about the Jews, and somewhat later said about Protestants. (And what Protestants said about them, and about the Jews for that matter.)
Not defending those of Albi, just pointing out that the bare truth about them may have been embroidered somewhat.
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:06:25 AM PDT
by
Sherman Logan
(Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
To: NYer
Well, there's nothing new under the sun, and there are only two philosophies: God's and Satan's.
Anything not of God is of Satan, and contradictions don't matter to him.
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:07:35 AM PDT
by
chesley
(Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
To: NYer
It was a barbaric time. So many were subjected to "the rack".
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:08:53 AM PDT
by
cuban leaf
(Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
To: livius
They ignore the teaching of Ecclesiastes.
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:09:59 AM PDT
by
cuban leaf
(Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
To: cuban leaf
They ignore the teaching of Ecclesiastes.
And Song of Songs. And the verse about “shall your wife’s breasts satisfy you always.”
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:10:49 AM PDT
by
cuban leaf
(Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
To: livius
till, the Pope said something yesterday that I thought was true: there has been some fundamental shift that has occurred in society, and it is impossible to return to what we once had. That is, the entire modern vision of what it means to be human has undergone a profound change, sort of an official adoption of Gnosticism with its complete rejection of physical reality, that makes it impossible for Christians to communicate. I have posted this before and apologize for the repeat but, each time I read such statements, there is a flashback to Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger's Pro Eligendo homily delivered to the College of Cardinals before they entered the conclave that resulted in his selection as pope.
How many winds of doctrine have we known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking. The small boat of the thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves - flung from one extreme to another: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism and so forth. Every day new sects spring up, and what St Paul says about human deception and the trickery that strives to entice people into error (cf. Eph 4: 14) comes true. Today, having a clear faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism. Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be "tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine", seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one's own ego and desires.
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This homily was delivered in April 2005. Like Paul VI's encyclical Humanae Vitae, one can regard Ratzinger's homily as quasi prophetic. Insofar as Pope Francis stating that a fundamental shift has occurred in history, we know from history that it repeats itself. Perhaps not in our lifetime, it is conceivable that some future generation may one day experience the conservative values we experienced in post WWII America.
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:17:30 AM PDT
by
NYer
( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
To: NYer
Probably the “society” the modern Gnostics are building will implode at some point; it’s based on unsustainable ideas and no foundation whatsoever.
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:24:10 AM PDT
by
livius
To: NYer
Very thought-provoking article. The Evil One is adept at recycling his most effective lies.
Pray that people return to God....SOON!
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:27:31 AM PDT
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SumProVita
(Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
To: NYer
I’ve had evangelical protestant friends point to the Albigensians as the “underground remnant” of true Christianity in opposition to the Catholic church of their day.
(This allows protestants to offer a timeline going back before the Reformation.)
Anyway when I explain what the Albigensians really believed, they either concede the point (and implicitly acknowledge that their pastor was misleading them about the Albigensians) or accuse me of lying for the church.
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:35:17 AM PDT
by
jtal
(Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
To: NYer
Some details that are often missed when discussing the Spanish Inquisition, were first, that the laity in Spain were utterly horrified by not just the heterodoxy, or even heresy, but the rise of debauched and perverted paganism, often using the church itself for its purposes.
Second was that the existing Spanish royal inquisition was not only ineffective in dealing with this, but in some ways sponsoring it. This is why the desperate petition to Rome for a real Inquisition, carried out under the auspices of what is now the Holy Office.
While Christendom in Europe swept away paganism, in many cases, it did not destroy it, just drove it and its practices underground. In many parts of Europe, even today, pagan practices have been integrated into the local practice of Christianity.
With the rise of official atheism in France, spreading outward through Europe, eroding national churches already in decline, it is no surprise that pagan beliefs are again returning to the fore.
Likewise, heterodoxy and outright heresy, in some cases arising from within the church itself.
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:39:34 AM PDT
by
yefragetuwrabrumuy
(The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
To: NYer; livius; WayneS; Sherman Logan; chesley; cuban leaf
from the article:
" Few people recall that that almost maniacal rebellion against Catholic teaching and, for that matter, commonsensical and civilized living was the trigger for the much-misunderstood Inquisition." Speaking of "maniacal":
"The crusader army came under the command, both spiritually and militarily, of the papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Cîteaux.
In the first significant engagement of the war, the town of Béziers was besieged on 22 July 1209.
The Catholic inhabitants of the city were granted the freedom to leave unharmed, but many refused and opted to stay and fight alongside the Cathars. The Cathars spent much of 1209 fending off the crusaders.
The Béziers army attempted a sortie but was quickly defeated, then pursued by the crusaders back through the gates and into the city.
Arnaud-Amaury, the Cistercian abbot-commander, is supposed to have been asked how to tell Cathars from Catholics.
His reply, recalled by Caesar of Heisterbach, a fellow Cistercian, thirty years later was 'Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.''Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own.'[53][54]
The doors of the church of St Mary Magdalene were broken down and the refugees dragged out and slaughtered.
Reportedly, 7,000 people died there.
Elsewhere in the town many more thousands were mutilated and killed.
Prisoners were blinded, dragged behind horses, and used for target practice.[55]
What remained of the city was razed by fire.
Arnaud-Amaury wrote to Pope Innocent III, 'Today your Holiness, twenty thousand heretics were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex.'[56][57]"
In another report:
"When Innocent III's diplomatic attempts to roll back Catharism[1] met with little success and after the papal legate Pierre de Castelnau was murdered (allegedly by an agent serving the Cathar count of Toulouse), Innocent III declared a crusade against Languedoc, offering the lands of the schismatics to any French nobleman willing to take up arms."An estimated 200,000 to 1,000,000 people were massacred during the crusade.[2][3]
The Albigensian Crusade also had a role in the creation and institutionalization of both the Dominican Order and the Medieval Inquisition. "
But at least there were no gas chambers, or crematoria, so it's all cool, right?
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:54:46 AM PDT
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BroJoeK
(a little historical perspective....)
To: SumProVita
The Evil One is adept at recycling his most effective lies.
What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing is new under the sun.
Even the thing of which we say, "See, this is new!" has already existed in the ages that preceded us.
There is no remembrance of the men of old; nor of those to come will there be any remembrance among those who come after them.
Ecclesiastes 1:9-11
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posted on
09/17/2013 6:58:02 AM PDT
by
NYer
( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
To: cuban leaf
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posted on
09/17/2013 7:01:59 AM PDT
by
NYer
( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
To: BroJoeK
But at least there were no gas chambers, or crematoria, so it's all cool, right? No. I don't recall saying that. I don't recall defending the Inquisition, or Crusades, at all.
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posted on
09/17/2013 7:08:05 AM PDT
by
WayneS
(Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
To: jtal
Very interesting first hand experience. I bet some of those conversations are quite animated.
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posted on
09/17/2013 7:13:04 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: jtal
jtal:
"This allows protestants to offer a timeline going back before the Reformation." Attempts to reform corruption and suffocating power in the Roman Catholic Church began with false starts and failures long before Martin Luther's 95 Theses in 1517.
Names like Jan Hus (1415) and Girolamo Savonarola (1498) come to immediately mind.
But the core essence of Protestantism is devotion to what the Bible actually says, as opposed to what some bishops somewhere claimed it sort-of means.
So where-ever you can see such devotion before Luther, there you might say are pre-Protestants.
But you really can't have serious Protestants until you have a lot of Bibles available, and many people able to read them, and that didn't really begin until Gutenberg's Bibles, circa 1450.
So Cathars-Albigensians could not be considered pre-Protestants, except in their "maniacal" feelings about fundamental corruption and wickedness in the Roman Catholic Church of their day.
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posted on
09/17/2013 7:33:08 AM PDT
by
BroJoeK
(a little historical perspective....)
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