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To: NYer; livius; WayneS; Sherman Logan; chesley; cuban leaf
from the article: " Few people recall that that almost maniacal rebellion against Catholic teaching and, for that matter, commonsensical and civilized living was the trigger for the much-misunderstood Inquisition."

Speaking of "maniacal":

In another report:

But at least there were no gas chambers, or crematoria, so it's all cool, right?


15 posted on 09/17/2013 6:54:46 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
But at least there were no gas chambers, or crematoria, so it's all cool, right?

No. I don't recall saying that. I don't recall defending the Inquisition, or Crusades, at all.

18 posted on 09/17/2013 7:08:05 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: BroJoeK

Agreed. Although a good bit of this version of history is distorted in the service of anti-Catholicism, just as that of the article is to be pro-Catholic.

We don’t really know what the Albigensians taught or believed, since about all we have of them is what their enemies, who exterminated them, said they taught and believed.

Their attitudes towards marriage and sex, for instance, might make a good deal more sense if we had their explanations as to why they believed as they did. Every religion looks like lunacy to outsiders, especially without an explanation of this type. Then most (not all) at least have an internal logic.

It is, however, indisputable that truly appalling atrocities were committed in crushing the Albigensians, and that the Catholic faith imposed on Europe by force did little to prevent awful tragedies and crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Retz


29 posted on 09/17/2013 2:24:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: BroJoeK

The common punishment for city’s which resisted sieges was to put much or all of the population to the sword. Sad, but true. The punishment was considered a way to stop endless warfare. Cities would be too afraid to all resist and drag out what would have been short wars - wars were only conducted for a matter of weeks usually because bad weather and the harvest season made the campaign season so short.

Also, there is no actual contemporary evidence that anyone said: “Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own.”

The Albigensians were a bizarre, murderous, perverted sect. I can’t say it was bad that the crusaders wiped many of them out. The remnants were reconciled or went underground to be routed out and either reconciled by the inquisition or executed by the state.


30 posted on 09/17/2013 3:35:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: BroJoeK
But at least there were no gas chambers, or crematoria, so it's all cool, right?

If you want a good book on the Inquisition and and antidote to the Catholic propaganda, read:

The Friar of Carcassonne: Revolt Against the Inquisition in the Last Days of the Cathars

The inquisition was like a 14th century stasi, where people routinely made false accusations against rivals in order to eliminate them or take their property.

When the peasantry revolted and started assassinating the inquisitors, the dead clerics were declared "saints"

36 posted on 09/18/2013 3:58:38 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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