From the article:
If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright. I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith. I think that faith must be on the table since it was a factor in the previous election.
(But you don't understand, ThyBlackMan...faith was allowed to be on the table in '08 due to anti-Obama sentiment; but if you're anti-Romney, that = "anti-Mormon"...and the very same ones who had zero qualms about Zero's religious ties suddenly emerged as "Thou shalt keep religion to thyself" re: Romney.
From the article:
- The Mormon church has a very disappointing past of allowing blacks to become clergy men.
Well, this writer simply doesn't know that even 12 yr old boys become part of the Mormon "priesthood"...so Lds don't use "priesthood" as "clergy"...so in Mormonism -- while Mitt Romney was 31 years old -- a 12 yo white boy had more standing in the Mormon church than ANY black man. That boy could grow up to get married in the Mormon temple; no black man could. That boy could hold eventual "callings"; no black man could.
***************************** This mentions the polling data which say still a third of people don't know Romney is Mormon...http://www.mediaite.com/online/mitt-romney-is-a-mormon-get-over-it/
From the article: The Mormon faith teaches that God the Father was initially a regular man who had a wife and they both lived on a celestial planet. They conceived and produced celestial offspring which gave birth to spirits that created Jesus, the devil and mankind. Once babies are born, they receive one of these spirits. (Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 page 265)
(List for me the differences 'tween Mormonism and Scientology again)
Mormons do not believe in hell
(Clarification needed: Mormons believe in hell; just not eternal hell...which, when you consider a parallel of somebody who says they believe in heaven -- just not eternal heaven -- kind of amounts to the same thing)
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Mormons believe that the gospel will be propagated through the Book of Mormon, not the bible. (Doctrines and Covenants section 10)Yet, strangely, the Book of Mormon ISN'T the source for ALL kinds of key Lds teachings...yet the Doctrine & Covenants repeatedly claims the Book of Mormon contains the FULNESS of the Mormon gospel! Mormon "sacred" things not found in the Mormon "sacred" BoM:
1. Church organizational structure and titles of leaders [Hey, we don't need to provoke pagans into laughter by coming up with religious titles like the bishopric, do we?]
2. gods...plural [due to insistance by some FReeper Mormons that they only worship one godhead, a few FI have begun referencing that belief as polymonotheism]
3. Plurality of wives doctrine [Ah. Polymonogamy]
4. Word of Wisdom [I guess the people of South America weren't very wise about Brazilian coffee]
5. God is an exalted man [Who knew this facebook boy would make it big? Hmm...a god who worshiped his own god/gods once upon a time, eh?]
6. Celestial marriage [If you want to become an eternal polygamist, current Lds church policy says you can...just make sure you secure permission of anybody you've divorced & get "married" to your multiple SERIAL spouses one at a time in the temple for eternity]
7. Men may become Gods ["Hey, God, move over...you can go ahead & take my measurements for my throne"]
8. Three degrees of glory [Mormons tout resurrection for all; yet John says there's a resurrection unto "damnation" (John 5:29) -- not too glorious]
9. Baptism for the dead [monopoly on the religio-necro industry, that's for sure! I think we should call this a polymonopoly on necro-baptisms...when are they going to open up fast-food-like windows to meet the demand to grow with more genealogical records online?]
10. Eternal progression [at least til you hit the ceiling of your assigned glory...you terrestials aren't getting out!]
11. The Aaronic Priesthood [yeah, like the Bible -- apostle Paul -- says, these 12-year-old "elders" better keep to one wife!]
12. Temple works of washings, anointing, endowments, sealing; along with temple -- at least for its newly re-purposed usage [I guess the people of the Book of Mormon times weren't very "sacred" compared to contemporary Mormons]
From the article: Mormons believe that you can own your own planet if you are a good Mormon, married in the temple and tithe.
Strange that many Lds deny this obvious repeated teaching STILL taught in Mormon courses to its young today!
To: Colofornian
could be worse...
could be Islamic
could be a Scientologist
3 posted on
07/11/2012 6:01:54 AM PDT by
Vaquero
(Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
To: Colofornian
While I find most of the bullet points odd, at best, I don’t consider even one of them relevant when voting for a President of the United States. The real problem with Romney is his political views, which make him one of the ten worst major party nominees for president in history. The only relevant question is whether (a) being so far to the left is completely disqualifying or (b) running against the very worst occupant of our White House in history is enough to earn Romney our votes. His church’s views on the Trinity or on the geographic location to which Jesus will return strike me as completely irrelevant.
4 posted on
07/11/2012 6:03:14 AM PDT by
Pollster1
(Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
To: Colofornian
single issue poster alert.
To: Colofornian
Yawwwnnnnnn....
Next subject.
12 posted on
07/11/2012 6:23:36 AM PDT by
ScottinVA
(Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
To: Colofornian
There is nothing about the beliefs of Mormonism that strikes me as any stranger than the beliefs of other religions if one views them objectively. I’m not denigrating any faith but they all have elements that don’t succumb to reason in an objective sense.
14 posted on
07/11/2012 6:26:17 AM PDT by
muir_redwoods
(Legalize Freedom!!)
To: Colofornian
a 12 yo white boy had more standing in the Mormon church than ANY black man.
_____________________________________________
Or any woman white or black...
and that 12 year old kid STILL has more standing than women...
In fact he has authority over his own mother...
so much for family...
an upside down out-of=control household is not a “nice family” by any means...
and definitely not Biblical...
15 posted on
07/11/2012 6:33:39 AM PDT by
Tennessee Nana
(Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
To: Colofornian
JFK’s Catholicism was in issue in the 1960 election, and he won. There’s a way to fight this.
16 posted on
07/11/2012 6:38:09 AM PDT by
jeffc
(Welcome to the United Socialist States of America)
To: Colofornian
I have mixed feelings about Romney’s relationship to Mormonism. Part of me worries that he believes in it and part of me says that Mitt Romney doesn’t really believe in anything but increasing his personal power over the rest of us. I’m not sure which is worse.
18 posted on
07/11/2012 6:45:08 AM PDT by
Tau Food
(Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
To: Colofornian
If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama.I'll read the article after I stop laughing at the introduction sentence. That may take hours.
19 posted on
07/11/2012 6:48:38 AM PDT by
CaptainK
(...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
To: Colofornian
Thanks for the info. All of the Mormons I know are fine, upstanding, scandal free, citizens. This makes me think Romney would make an outstanding president.
24 posted on
07/11/2012 7:03:28 AM PDT by
norwaypinesavage
(Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
To: Colofornian
The ten tribes of Israel will return back to Missouri. Which two tribes won't be there and where are they going?
then you must consider our current commander and chief.
He had me until he said that.
I'll consider Virgil Goode, thank you.
By the way, he's the Commander in Chief, not and
To: Colofornian
sorry, but right now,for me, he's not Obama
That's his only selling point and why I'll vote for him, UNLESS, UNLESS Obama drops or Sarah Palin or some other REAL conservative is the nominee. But if none of those happens, then Mitt's the lesser evil.
65 posted on
07/11/2012 8:53:56 AM PDT by
Cronos
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
To: Colofornian
119 posted on
07/11/2012 10:28:10 AM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Colofornian
The Mormon church has a very disappointing past of allowing blacks to become clergy men. SOMEone is a HATEFUL bigot!!!
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after." "He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage." "That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said, "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parentson the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
122 posted on
07/11/2012 10:34:38 AM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Colofornian
Well, this writer simply doesn't know that even 12 yr old boys become part of the Mormon "priesthood"...so Lds don't use "priesthood" as "clergy"...so in Mormonism -- while Mitt Romney was 31 years old -- a 12 yo white boy had more standing in the Mormon church than ANY black man. Well.... not any MORE!!!
GOD changed his mind!!!
Official Declaration2
To Whom It May Concern:
On 30 September 1978, at the 148th Semiannual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the following was presented by President N. Eldon Tanner, First Counselor in the First Presidency of the Church:
In early June of this year, the First Presidency announced that a revelation had been received by President Spencer W. Kimball extending priesthood and temple blessings to all worthy male members of the Church. President Kimball has asked that I advise the conference that after he had received this revelation, which came to him after extended meditation and prayer in the sacred rooms of the holy temple, he presented it to his counselors, who accepted it and approved it. It was then presented to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who unanimously approved it, and was subsequently presented to all other General Authorities, who likewise approved it unanimously.
President Kimball has asked that I now read this letter:
June 8, 1978
To all general and local priesthood officers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints throughout the world:
Dear Brethren:
As we have witnessed the expansion of the work of the Lord over the earth, we have been grateful that people of many nations have responded to the message of the restored gospel, and have joined the Church in ever-increasing numbers. This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.
Aware of the promises made by the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us that at some time, in Gods eternal plan, all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, and witnessing the faithfulness of those from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple supplicating the Lord for divine guidance.
He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness.
We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.
Sincerely yours,
Spencer W. Kimball
N. Eldon Tanner
Marion G. Romney
The First Presidency
Recognizing Spencer W. Kimball as the prophet, seer, and revelator, and president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is proposed that we as a constituent assembly accept this revelation as the word and will of the Lord. All in favor please signify by raising your right hand. Any opposed by the same sign.
The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous in the affirmative.
Salt Lake City, Utah, September 30, 1978.
124 posted on
07/11/2012 10:36:47 AM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Colofornian
.....the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright. I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith. Funny. Hilarious. Obama was never vetted in the manner the writer deleriously envisons. Not by the mainstream media, for certain. It was only a concern for conservatives and those who have a better-than-average variety in their consumption of news sources. And, the import of Obama's potential religious influence was widely suppressed.
Any furtherance of the writer's postulation regarding Romeny is then suspect. If we (you) want to castigate him for his LDS background, don't couch it in the guise of a legitimate examination of fantasy '08 vetting that did not occur.
187 posted on
07/11/2012 12:41:15 PM PDT by
Gaffer
(NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
To: Colofornian
Good afternoon.
I just want to be fair and balanced...
The Elephant in the Room: 0bamas Muslim Faith [Which is why one-third still don't know he's Muslim]
5.56mm
192 posted on
07/11/2012 1:00:46 PM PDT by
M Kehoe
To: Colofornian
Better an open Mormon in the White House than a crypto-Muslim.
202 posted on
07/11/2012 1:23:18 PM PDT by
Redcloak
(Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
To: Colofornian
The reason that I will not vote for him is his politics, not his religion. I will not vote for a gun grabber, abortion and homosexual agenda promoter, socialized medicine advocate, no matter who he/she happen to be.
And to the usual Mitt bots who respond by posting "obama thanks you". Save Jim the bandwidth and yourself the time, because this does not faze me.
If you are sincere, take it up with the Republican Party. Because it was them, knowing full well what Romney stands for and how easy it would be to defeat obama with a bonafide candidate, instead choose to ordain Romney to be the standard bearer.
297 posted on
07/12/2012 4:52:11 AM PDT by
sport
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