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WH: We Are Done Negotiating With Catholics
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| February 13, 2012
| Patrick Madrid
Posted on 02/13/2012 4:48:03 PM PST by NYer
The great and powerful Oz has spoken, 'negotiation' time is over, time for you to ditch your silly religious beliefs and do what we say.
Obama chief of staff: No more compromise, contraceptive rule is done deal
Despite renewed statements of concern by Catholic leaders, the Obama administration is done negotiating and will finalize its plan requiring insurance companies to provide free contraception to women working and studying at religious institutions, President Obama's chief of staff said Sunday.
Jacob Lew told "Fox News Sunday" that the compromise offered last week to address objections by the Catholic Church is clear and consistent with the president's "very deep belief that a woman has a right to all forms of preventive health care, including contraception."
"We have set out our policy," Lew said. "We are going to finalize it in the final rules, but I think what the president announced on Friday is a balanced approach that meets the concerns raised both in terms of access to health care and in terms of protecting religious liberties, and we think that's the right approach."
For all you Catholic liberals out there, this is how the Marxists you elected do 'dialogue.' I would say I told you so but...actually...
I told you so.
The only, ONLY answer is the complete destruction of the mandate and Obamacare. There is no other way.
TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: obamacare; victoryordeath
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posted on
02/13/2012 4:48:06 PM PST
by
NYer
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posted on
02/13/2012 4:49:01 PM PST
by
NYer
("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
To: NYer
Ha Ha! Catholics got what they voted for. Our King and dictator has spoken with all the authority of Lucifer.
To: NYer
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posted on
02/13/2012 4:51:32 PM PST
by
ought-six
( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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posted on
02/13/2012 4:51:45 PM PST
by
narses
To: Logical me
Catholics got what they voted for.Correction: Some people masquerading as Catholics got what they voted for.
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posted on
02/13/2012 4:53:00 PM PST
by
A.A. Cunningham
(Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
To: NYer
So far it seems your church leaders are holding strong in opposing this, but your Catholic Charities embraced the “compromise”. Lets hope your leadership sees the error of embracing “social justice” policies using govt tax dollars and will inspire your members to vote out all Rats.
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posted on
02/13/2012 4:55:38 PM PST
by
wmfights
To: NYer
You only think you are done but you will have the Supreme court to talk to. Other religions and people of values will be talking to you and courts. This is not done.
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posted on
02/13/2012 4:57:26 PM PST
by
mountainlion
(I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
To: NYer
Oh no you are not done negotiating with Catholics. We will be there in November.
To: maxwellsmart_agent
Oh no you are not done negotiating with Catholics. We will be there in November.
That won't be a negotiation. It will be a summary dismissal.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:00:49 PM PST
by
aruanan
To: aruanan
I hope so... With the Jews, you will still see 50% voting for this dope. I wish the Catholics better luck.
To: NYer
First check this site our
http://richochet.com/
Rhabe’s comments should be reviewed
This was posted in Britebarts Big Government and compiled by Jason Pollak but the significance is that the position has nothing to do with “health” but with implementing a government policy
ObamaCare Architect: Catholic Institutions Should Provide Birth Control as Moral Imperative to Stop Population Growth
by Joel B. Pollak Robert CreamerDemocrat strategist, Obama 2008 campaign aide, and political architect of ObamaCareargues that the new contraceptive mandate for Catholic institutions isnt really about equality for women, or religious liberty.
Rather, it is about population control.
Creamerlike his wife, the pro-abortion Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)embraces the left-wing fallacy that children are a burden on the planet, which the state should encourage the churchand everyone elseto limit.
At 6:16-7:03 in the video below, by CNS News, Schakowsky describes abortion as most often a responsible decision to control the size of their families:
Writing in the Huffington Post yesterday, Creamer declared:
[T]here is a worldwide consensus that the use of birth control is one of societys most important moral priorities. Far from being something that should be discouraged, or is controversial, the use of birth control is critical to the survival and success of humanity
.It is simply not possible for this small planet to sustain that kind of exponential human population growth. If we do, the result will be poverty, war, the depletion of our natural resources and famine. Fundamentally, the Reverend [Thomas] Malthus was rightexcept that the result is not inevitable
.Thats why it is our moral imperative to act responsibly and encourage each other to use birth control.
Malthuss late eighteenth and early nineteenth-century views, which still inspire much of todays environmental movement, have been repeatedly disproved over the course of two centuries. Economic freedom, growth and innovation have made human society vastly more productive and efficient.
It is precisely because radical socialists like Creamer, Schakowsky and Obama detest the free economy that they continue to rely on old Malthusian and Marxist ideas.
Regardless, the indication by Creamer that the contraception mandate is not about equality, but population growth, suggests that the Obama administrations challenge to the beliefs of the Catholic church may be more directand deliberatethan was previously suspected.
My coment
Eugenics.,is a basic tenet of socialism which includes the whole range of the isms. The new religions created by Marx, Lennin, and Fascists that mandates its followers practice population control, through abortion or sterilization and of course mercy killing. By edict Obama has not just violated the constitution by imposing a set of practices and their accompanying expences refuted by a religious group but has also sought to impose a belief system which is a defacto religion on another religious group...The results of this edict has not only created deep divisions within the groups affected which begs the question of the intent of result by the edicts issuance.
Defenders of this action quickly point to the regime decision to do so as its right because they are recipients of government funds. Those defenders convieniently ignore the fact that members of the groups affected have originally contributed those funds and were exempted from paying such costs resulting from and observing such practices that are now imposed upon them by the Obama regime.
Obama knows what h is doing . He will rely of statist media to follow up remind their readers of past transgressions by peophiles...exploit the differences by the CINOS It is an attempt to divide the church.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:05:58 PM PST
by
mosesdapoet
("The best way to punish a country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great)
To: aruanan; maxwellsmart_agent
That won't be a negotiation. It will be a summary dismissal. I doubt it. They must have some interesting polling data that leads them to believe they won't lose the 55% of RC's that voted for them the first time. It would be great for America if they are wrong, but over the years I've seen a lot of FReepers claim the RCC is really conservative and I haven't seen it yet.
Look at how artfully the issue has been turned into a discussion about birth control and not State interference in churches, or that the birth control measures include abortion inducing drugs. Our enemy is a lot of things but he is not as dumb as we think, most women take birth control and would love to have someone else pay for it.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:11:54 PM PST
by
wmfights
To: NYer
Newsflash to White House: It’s not just the Catholics you’ll be dealing with. You’ve pissed off all religions by denying religious freedom to American citizens.
Newsflash to all the Catholics who voted for this asshole in ‘08: Don’t worry; we evangelicals who didn’t vote for him, because we we knew what/who he was/is, will fight your fight and try to clean up the mess you helped create.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:15:26 PM PST
by
MayflowerMadam
(Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
To: NYer
Obama v. the Body of Christ. My wager is on the latter being victorious.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:19:02 PM PST
by
Army Air Corps
(Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
To: wmfights
they won't lose the 55% of RC's that voted for them the first time. If you're going to paraphrase unreliable, unscientific exit polls with suspect methodolgy, at least get the number correct.
most women take birth control and would love to have someone else pay for it.
By the way, do you now or have you in the past, taken oral contraceptives?
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:19:31 PM PST
by
A.A. Cunningham
(Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
Comment #17 Removed by Moderator
To: maxwellsmart_agent
We will be there in November Yeah, Catholics are very reliable. I hate to knock another faith and have respect for the Catholic religion, but as far as Catholics go, they give us some real winners.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:22:55 PM PST
by
chesty_puller
(Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
To: NYer
Oh good.
Let every person of the Christian faith remember this day as the day Obama and the Democrats told them to go pound salt.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:24:07 PM PST
by
Jonty30
(What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
To: mosesdapoet
To be honest, I hope that Creamer and Schakowsky, and all like them, practice birth control to their heart’s content.
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posted on
02/13/2012 5:26:44 PM PST
by
EDINVA
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