Why no, Ma'am; FR is NOT a good place to be learn the things we want you to know about MORMONism.
Posted on 10/13/2011 5:52:58 PM PDT by Gamecock
I subscribe to a Mormon apologetic Newsletter titled FAIR (Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research).
Normally it falls into my junk email account and I don't even open it, but today I had a few minutes and scanned the latest offering and was stunned to see the hypocrisy of the authors. Please note the entire email is posted below.
This particular issue has a great deal of whining about those mean Christians who make the spurious claim that Mormons are not Christians, but are a cult.
A couple of examples:
-"Mormons are a cult" epithets into the national spotlight. In his "On Faith" commentary this week, Church Public Affairs managing director Michael Otterson suggests why people make such claims and shares his own experience of being labeled not Christian.
Calling Mormonism a cult is old hat, and the voters are yawning.
-Texas Gov. Rick Perry's minister ally Robert Jeffress might think Mitt Romney's church is a cult, but a new documentary on the presidency and Mormonism suggests that Romney could snag the nation's top job despite the religious feud between Christians.
-....the "cult" of Mormonism means that you raise a solid family, work hard, make money and do good for the greater community of mankind, then by all means pass the Kool-Aid.
-It seems just too petty and small for a country as big as America to have. America, as a melting pot of many cultures and many beliefs, is supposed to be more tolerant of differences.
-Another woman in Texas remembers that her LDS congregation was banned from participating in a community-wide Christmas event and that non-Church members once barged into Sunday meetings shouting that Mormons were cult members and devil worshippers.
The reader will note, when comparing the above quotes with the below article, that the quotes originate from the MSM. Why would the MSM, a known enemy of Christianity, care if Christians consider Mormons a cult or not? I suggest that these quotes are really more of an attack on Christianity than some deep concern for Mormons. Notice how when Mormons talk family values the press fawns over them. When Christians do the same we are are intolerant of other lifestyles.
That being said, consider the above quotes. Christians who deny Mormons mainstream status are bigoted, intolerant, etc. But ask your self this: are Mormons not intolerant when they make the following claim: that Joseph Smith unearthed a book of golden plates from a New York hillside in 1827 with the help of an angel and translated hieroglyphics that detailed the true Christian faith.
So Mormons don't want to be Christians, but rather the "true Christian faith." Isn't that just a bit intolerant?
I suspect what is really going on here is that in reality the MSM sees Romney as a palatable Republican. They don't really care about Mormons, but are afraid of Cain and Perry.
Take a few minutes and scan the below and see what other nuggets jump out at you. There are more than a couple.
“Show me in the Bible where God did not create Satan.”
And of course, no one ever said God did not create Satan as good.
What was said was that God did not create Jesus Christ, who is eternally
God, neither created, nor made.
Mormons, in yet another heresy, claim Christ was a created spirit being.
Saundra, if you are really a Christian, come out from among them and be
holy.
And if it weren’t for my Church, Prop 8 would not have passed in CA.
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Well I dont know about that
But if it weren’t for your so called “church” Roe V Wade would not have passed in 1973...
Most Jews do not believe that we are the one true faith,although you have Jews who do believe that. I do not believe that my particular branch of Judaism is superior to the others. I am not so cocky to say that it is.
Others, evidently by the posts that litter this thread, are not quite so modest as you.
More outright Mormon hypocrisy (on Saundra's part). Note Saundra's emphasis that it be "Lds Scripture" (vs. Lds leader statements).
She is implying here that she knows Lds leaders teach that the Mormon god had sex with Mary. Her fallback position then is to stress Lds "scriptures."
You see, Mormons and the Mormon church want to have their cake and eat it, too. They stress to the world that they have a "living prophet" who "whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord..." (Lds "scripture" Doctrines & Covenants 68:4).
But seemingly these days, when we cite the Mormon leaders speaking forth "revelations" that are rather embarrassing for the Mormon grassroots, they toss both their general authorities under the bus and take scissors to D&C 68:4 & remove that from their "scriptures."
Are you kidding? Or uninformed? Every guy who comes to your door disparages Christianity. The very foundation of mormonISM is disparaging Christianity. Every thing they say and do disparages Christianity. [svcw]
Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion Romney, was one of the three highest-ranking Mormon leaders in the 1960s. Marion emphasized to Lds missionaries at that time that the so-called "universal apostasy" and "restoration" should be one of the top 3-4 mentions of missionaries when they went door-to-door.
All "universal apostasy" means is an accusation to every Christian and every Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox church that they went AWOL or they were "birthed" from AWOL spiritual parents and therefore are not "legit." IOW, the Mormon church missionaries, trained by the Mormon church and the Romneyites, consider the Christian denominations to be spiritual bastards. Just like the Muslims deem as as "infidels."
You really can't go around labeling us as infidels, apostates, spiritual bastards, Babylon, and the like and consider that a "compliment" or "Kum-ba-yah" Christian harmony, WWFB.
Gamecock is right. The Mormons are out-and-out hypocrites on this. They have been intolerant of the Christian church from the get-go...and yet they scream for tolerance. They have been intolerant from Christians from the get-go...and yet they scream to be recognized as "Christians."
Tell you what. Let's see the mainstream Mormons start to allow all the minority Mormon sect breakaway groups be called "Mormon," too, and then we can talk once they've addressed their own 2-faced hypocrisy.
Of course mormons are aware of this - and it just goes to show the bipolar nature of mormon belief. I'll bet most anything that SD along with other mormons were glued to their tv/computers during the recent general conference - waiting to hear what the latest revelation from 'god' would be uttered. Were mormons to be consistent - they would have paid less attention because these people were only giving their "opinions".
Just as it was abundantly clear that bring'em young taught as DOCTRINE the Adam/God, others taught other 'doctrines' that modern lds reject as opinions. They refuse to face the fact then that by downgrading those 'doctrines' to 'personal opinions' they've also designated those prophets and apostles as false teachers and false prophets.
Follow the prophet - he will never lead you astray is the matra, except of course that their 'false teachings' (as defined by modern lds as 'opinions') lead you astray.
You gonna name names; or just tar everyone with your big brush?
Not just the old PROPHETS leading you astray; but just try following MORMON scripture (D&C 132) That'll get you EXCOMMUNICATED!!!
I can’t wait until the day that Romney concedes the nomination race, so we can be spared further anti-Mormon threads like this.
You mean anti-Mormon threads that demonstrate how Mormons are anti-Christian?
It ain't gonna happen!
Game ON!!
We CHRISTIANs are going to CONTINUALLY be exposing the heresy that calls itself MORMONism.
Those deceptive ads, I'm a MORMON that appear as though the state LOTTO Commission paid for them; will soon end. As soon as the SLC bean counters have deduced that they are NOT bringing in more deceived folks, but have actually ALERTED them to the LIES of MORMONism.
Why no, Ma'am; FR is NOT a good place to be learn the things we want you to know about MORMONism.
All that hate is going to eat you up.
I know; I've got teeth marks all over me!
Pardon the possible thread drift, but I see "Native Americans came from Israel about 2500 years ago to what would one day be the United States" as being no more incredible than "Every animal species on Earth is descended from a M/F pair that rode out a flood on a wooden boat 5500 years ago".
1. Proof: Can we prove that Native Americans are not descended from Semitic peoples? yes -- all the proof: historical, linguistic, archaeological, anthropological and genetic point to that
in contrast -- can we prove the there was no flood that threatened to wipe out mankind? -- there is no proof for it, but none against. And specifically tot he point that every animal species -- the Bible says in Genesis 6:20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive not every animal, so of course not the fish. Nor does it specify that every animal species presently on Earth is descended from these, though it is implied.
2. Relevance to dogma -- Let's take Noah's ark's story here. If is it "shown incorrect" does it in any way change Jewish or Christian dogma? No, not really. Is it central to dogma? No.
in contrast to Mormonism, the idea of Semites in pre-Columbus America is central to dogma as that's the theme of the book of Mormon.
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