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Looking For A True Church To Call Home
6/21/11 | Me

Posted on 06/21/2011 3:51:29 PM PDT by NoGrayZone

Okay, here's the deal in a long story short. I was raised Lutheran, moved out to Long Island and continued to be raised in St. Paul's Lutheran Church.

Aunt Jeannie (my name sake) has been a member since. I decided years ago I wanted back, so I went.

I did not feel Him there, thought it was me. I kept looking around the congregation, thinking it was me. After a while, I realized it wasn't (a couple of things happened after that confirmed it wasn't me).

Anywho, the icing on the cake was my Aunt Jeannie stopped going as well. After almost 30 years she felt the change as well. I looked up our church and saw they were apart of the "accept homosexuals as Pastors" crowd. That was 1 of the things that confirmed it was not me.

But my Aunt Jeannie leaving was the icing on the cake.

Here's our delima. Both of us are July babies. She is the 2nd, I am the 18th. We decided on 7/17 we would find a church to attend (we both want one to belong to and believe in), then go have brunch to discuss.

She is much more open minded than I am, but I promised her I would be open minded, if just for an hour, on that day.

I said to her, during our conversation "how do we know if the "Pastor" is a homo or not. She believes He is with us no matter where we are. I agree....to a point. I don't believe a homosexual can be one of His Shepard's leading His herd if that is so.

There have been so many "demoninations" coming out for homosexual "Shepard's" I have NO idea where to begin.

I have called a few churches and left messages for the Pastor to call back so I can interview Him (no lady Pastors for me).

Any advise to where we can look? Anyone know anything about Presbyterians?


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To: Cronos; redgolum

In 1997 the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America enacted its own version of Prussian Unionism with the “Formula of Agreement” declaring “full communion” with three Reformed denominations.

How can you be “in communion” when there is no real commonality over Who is present?


321 posted on 06/23/2011 7:07:23 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: NoGrayZone

I quit the So. Baptist Church because it is filled with hypocrites. They do not follow what they preach. Petty and backstabbing. But you may find what you want there.


322 posted on 06/23/2011 7:11:11 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: Cronos
Read the Bible, let Jesus Christ answer?

What is the RESULT?

Is a person SAVED or DAMNED?

323 posted on 06/23/2011 7:18:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NoGrayZone
My goodness, this seems to have turned into a Catholic bashing thread, not good.

Then we PROTESTANTS will leave and you can 'bash' them as much as you want.

324 posted on 06/23/2011 7:19:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: KYGrandma
I quit the So. Baptist Church because it is filled with hypocrites.

And there are NONE where you worship now?

325 posted on 06/23/2011 7:21:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
 
NIV Matthew 2:5
"In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

NIV Matthew 4:1-11
1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

NIV Matthew 11:10
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Matthew 21:13
"It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

NIV Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

NIV Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

NIV Mark 7:6-7
6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

NIV Mark 9:11-13
11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

NIV Mark 11:17
And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

NIV Mark 14:27
"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

NIV Luke 1:1-4
1. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,
2. just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
3. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
4. so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

NIV Luke 4:17-19
17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

NIV Luke 7:27
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Luke 10:26
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

NIV Luke 18:31-33
31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33. On the third day he will rise again."

NIV Luke 20:17-18
17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

NIV Luke 21:22
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

NIV Luke 22:37
It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

NIV Luke 24:44-47
44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

NIV John 2:17
His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
NIV John 6:31
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

NIV John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

NIV John 12:14-15
14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."

NIV John 12:14-16
14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

NIV John 15:25
But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

NIV John 20:30-31
30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

NIV Acts 1:20
"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

NIV Acts 7:42
But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

NIV Acts 13:29
When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

NIV Acts 13:32-33
32. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
33. he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

NIV Acts 15:15-18
15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
18. that have been known for ages.

NIV Acts 23:5
Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

NIV Acts 24:14
However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

NIV Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

NIV Romans 2:24
As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

NIV Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

NIV Romans 3:10-12
10. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
11. there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
12. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

NIV Romans 4:17
As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

NIV Romans 4:23-24
23. The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
24. but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

NIV Romans 8:36
As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

NIV Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

NIV Romans 10:15
And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

NIV Romans 11:7-10
7. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
8. as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
9. And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

NIV Romans 11:26-27
26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

NIV Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

NIV Romans 14:11
It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

NIV Romans 15:3-4
3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

NIV Romans 15:7-12
7. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
8. For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
9. so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
10. Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
11. And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
12. And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

NIV Romans 15:21
Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
20. and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
13. it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
14. because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

NIV Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

NIV Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

NIV Galatians 4:22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

NIV Galatians 4:27
For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

NIV Hebrews 10:7
Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

NIV 1 Peter 1:16
for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

NIV 1 John 2:12-14
12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
13. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
14. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

326 posted on 06/23/2011 7:22:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
 
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
 
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?"
 
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
 
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
 
He said, "Baptist!"
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
 
He said, "Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
 
He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
 
He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. 
 
-- Emo Phillips

327 posted on 06/23/2011 7:27:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NoGrayZone
Unlabeled Religion Forum threads are "open" by default meaning they are in a town square format, posters will argue pro/con and become contentious.

In the future, if you do not want antagonism on a thread then use the "Ecumenical" label in the header.

328 posted on 06/23/2011 7:27:47 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: redgolum; NoGrayZone
The Prussian Union is something not taught about. I actually found out about this after I moved to Poland and found the small Lutheran (or Ewangelico Augusburgu) Holy Trinit which was a beautiful Church right next to where I was living (ul. Kredytowa) and the people were quite devout -- quite a surprise after Germany.

It's a beautiful rotunda based Church

anyway, to the point, I asked and found out that the Lutherans in Warsaw were initially offered the rights of German citizens (as were Catholic Poles of German origin), but most German-origin Poles (nearly all in Warsaw) refused.

The church was persecuted and then destroyed (with the rest of Warsaw) in 1944.

The Prussian Union of 1817 forced by Kaiser Frederick Wilhelm II caused two schisms. The Kaiser forced the Lutherans and Reformed to merge (so that the Kaiser had more power). He had already abolished their individual leaders and now the government interfered. He was a Calvinist but the majority of his subjects were Lutheran

By the force of the Prussian king, the Words of union did not proclaim the Real Presence -- which I'm sure caused more than a little disquiet (and moved your great-grandparents too, red)

Then in 1829, the Kaiser forced all Protestant congregations to give up the names Lutheran/Reformed and call themselves Evangelical and basically to ignore the Lord's Supper as having the True Presence.

This caused a pretty big schism -- especially in Wrocław (then called Breslau, but now in Poland's S-W) who believed this rejection to be against God's Will

red -- was this the thing that led to the formation of the LCMS?

I feel this govt interference, ultimately leading to the Unity church becoming a department of the state had a negative effect lasting over a century

329 posted on 06/23/2011 7:32:51 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Elsie

I am sure there are some. But we don’t hear do not do such and such, and then see them doing the same thing outside. I find solace in my church now, while my sister and other’s fight to control their church. Just petty fighting. I go to church to renew, not to get beat up.


330 posted on 06/23/2011 7:34:03 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: Elsie
I quit the So. Baptist Church because it is filled with hypocrites.

My SIL's favorite meme for not going to church. And, sad to say, it was also mine when I was his age.

But, I do remember well my agnostic Father-in-law who looked me in the eye when I said it in front of him and he said,

"If they are hypocrites, isn't church where they are supposed to be? You know, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. But if the horse goes to the water all by himself, chances are he will drink without any encouragement from you."

331 posted on 06/23/2011 7:38:56 AM PDT by N. Theknow (What part of Election Day November 2010 didn't the GOP understand?)
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To: lightman; redgolum; NoGrayZone
How can you be “in communion” when there is no real commonality over Who is present?

I don't know. We can debate about the big picture (is it a metaphor or real) or the minutae, but to specifically NGZ's problem, I really, really, cannot imagine going to a Church that did not believe that God is present there in the Eucharist -- whatever be the arguments for or against, if one deeply believes this, as you, ngz do, I do believe and think that you would be deeply unsatisfied. The pastor you spoke to was correct -- it is a make or break issue.

NGZ, please do look at the LCMS, WELS churches who are deeply traditional and orthodox in their beliefs. My sincere advice is that you may be happy there

332 posted on 06/23/2011 7:42:07 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
I would very strongly urge you to look for a Church that does have a belief in the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist -- this can be Orthodox or Lutheran (LCMS or WELS) -- I have the deepest respect for my strongly orthodox, strongly conservative Lutheran brethern: redgolum; bcsco; lightman; Conservativegreatgrandma; Charles Henrickson -- you do have a strong belief that Christ is with us, and I personally, in your shoes could not be happy in a place that did not believe that.

Thank you for the compliment.

The centrality of Christ's Eucharistic Presence is very much on mind today, being the traditional date for the Feast of Corpus Christi, a Feast which Luther did not reject. Indeed, his Post-Communion hymn for the Deudsch Messe "O Lord We Praise You, Thank You and Adore You" was based on a Corpus Christi hymn.

Do remember that there are orthodox Lutherans beyond the LCMS and WELS in the Society of the Holy Trinity.

333 posted on 06/23/2011 7:44:05 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Elsie
Elsie -- btw, why choose a woman's name as a screen name? Anyway: What is the RESULT?

Jesus “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.

334 posted on 06/23/2011 7:46:47 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: madison10
Maddie10, please also note that this is not just Catholic, but also Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopian, Assyrian, Lutheran, Anglican and Methodist (not sure about the Methodists) doctrine.

I apologize if it seems heavy to you, but these are the simple words from the scripture.

Finally, do note that post 259 is a response to a question in 246 by Elsie. I had indicated in post 208 that this is a thread for NoGreyZone's question. you want to hijack it into a discussion that has been had many times? there are lots of threads for that religioius discussion. but Elsie's posts asked for the doctrine, so that was given.

335 posted on 06/23/2011 7:52:41 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: lightman; NoGrayZone; redgolum
lightman: The centrality of Christ's Eucharistic Presence is very much on mind today, being the traditional date for the Feast of Corpus Christi, a Feast which Luther did not reject. Indeed, his Post-Communion hymn for the Deudsch Messe "O Lord We Praise You, Thank You and Adore You" was based on a Corpus Christi hymn.

Yes, today is Corpus Christi, Bóże Ciało in Polish (the Body of Christ) -- we just have had a number of processions and prayers to Christ for Poland, and the world. It was quite moving, the entire country is shut and many are praying.

Do remember that there are orthodox Lutherans beyond the LCMS and WELS in the Society of the Holy Trinity.

I apologize if I missed them out -- thank you for the link

336 posted on 06/23/2011 7:55:51 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
“O Lord, We Praise Thee”
by Martin Luther, 1483-1546

1. O Lord, we praise Thee, bless Thee, and adore Thee,
In thanksgiving bow before Thee.
Thou with Thy body and Thy blood didst nourish
Our weak souls that they may flouish:
O Lord, have mercy!
May Thy body, Lord, born of Mary,
That our sins and sorrows did carry,
And Thy blood for us plead
In all trial, fear, and need:
O Lord, have mercy!

2. Thy holy body into death was given,
Life to win for us in heaven.
No greater love than this to Thee could bind us;
May this feast thereof remind us!
O Lord, have mercy!
Lord, Thy kindness did so constrain Thee
That Thy blood should bless and sustain me.
All our debt Thou hast paid;
Peace with God once more is made:
O Lord, have mercy.

3. May God bestow on us His grace and favor
To please Him with our behavior
And live as brethren here in love and union
Nor repent this blest Communion!
O Lord, have mercy!
Let not Thy good Spirit forsake us;
Grant that heavenly-minded He make us;
Give Thy Church, Lord, to see
Days of peace and unity:
O Lord, have mercy!

Hymn #313
The Lutheran Hymnal
Text: Ps. 118: 1
Author: unknown, c. 1400, St. 1
Author: Martin Luther, 1524, St. 2 & 3
Translated by: composite
Titled: “Gott sei gelobet und gebenedeiet”
Tune: “Gott sei gelobet”
German melody, c. 1400

Good march beat with that tune--perfect accompaniment for a procession.

337 posted on 06/23/2011 9:41:15 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: KYGrandma

Amen!


338 posted on 06/23/2011 11:05:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cronos
Elsie -- btw, why choose a woman's name as a screen name?

I see you've met some of my MORMON friends...


339 posted on 06/23/2011 11:08:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cronos

You keeping repeating.

I asked if they did not BELIEVE it was magically turned into real human flesh; NOT if they didn’t EAT of the bread and drink of the wine.


340 posted on 06/23/2011 11:09:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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