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Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ
LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender

Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

By Elder Dennis B. Neuenschwander Of the Seventy

 

 

 

Dennis B. Neuenschwander, “Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ,” Ensign, Jan 2009, 16–22

Adapted from a presentation to the Seventy.

 

 

 

In the Doctrine and Covenants we read that Joseph Smith was “called of God, and ordained an apostle of Jesus Christ” (D&C 20:2). The call of an Apostle is first to witness or testify of Jesus Christ. Old Testament prophets testified of His coming. The New Testament Apostles bore personal witness of Christ’s being and of the absolute reality of His Resurrection. This apostolic witness was the basis of their teaching. “Ye shall be witnesses unto me” (Acts 1:8) was Jesus’s instruction to the original Twelve. Peter testified on the day of Pentecost to the Jews who had gathered “out of every nation” (Acts 2:5) that “this Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses” (Acts 2:32). Similarly, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that Jesus “was seen of me also” (1 Corinthians 15:8). The sure witness of Christ’s being and the reality of His Resurrection is the first pillar of apostolic testimony.

The second pillar is centered on the Savior’s redemptive and saving power. Peter teaches that to the Lord “give all the Prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43).

Without these twin pillars of testimony concerning Christ, there could be no Apostle. Such testimonies are born of experience, divine command, and instruction. For example, Luke writes that Christ showed Himself to the Apostles “alive after his passion … being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Acts 1:3).

How does the Prophet Joseph Smith fit into these apostolic requirements? The answer is “Perfectly.”

The First Vision

Joseph Smith’s apostolic instruction began in 1820. Pondering the questions of religion, he soon found that there was no way to reason or argue one’s opinion to an authoritative conclusion concerning the correctness of the various churches or their doctrines. Short of a divine manifestation, young Joseph could add only one more opinion to the already existing “war of words and tumult of opinions” (Joseph Smith—History 1:10). But Joseph’s questions on religion were answered by the personal and physical manifestation of God the Father and His divine and living Son, Jesus Christ—an experience referred to as the First Vision.

Like that of the original Apostles, Joseph’s experience with Deity was direct and personal. There was no need for the opinion of others or the deliberations of a council to define what he saw or what it came to mean to him. Joseph’s vision was at first an intensely personal experience—an answer to a specific question. Over time, however, illuminated by additional experience and instruction, it became the founding revelation of the Restoration.

As apostolic as this manifestation of Christ’s being, existence, and Resurrection was to Joseph Smith, it was not the only thing Jesus wanted to teach him. The boy Joseph’s first lesson arose from the manifestation of Christ’s absolute, omnipotent, and divine power. Joseph learned firsthand at least one meaning of the redeeming and saving power of Christ when he prayed in the grove. As he began to pray, “Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction” (Joseph Smith—History 1:15). With every bit of energy Joseph had, he began to call upon God to deliver him from the grasp of this enemy.

“At the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction … , I saw a pillar of light. …

“It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound” (Joseph Smith—History 1:16–17).

Joseph Smith’s confrontation with the adversary is reminiscent of an experience Moses had, about which the Prophet would learn some few years later. Unlike the boy Joseph, however, Moses saw God’s greatness first and then was confronted with the power of the adversary before being delivered from his influence. (See Moses 1.)

The difference in the order of events is significant. Moses was already far into maturity and had much knowledge and influence prior to this event. By displaying His magnificent power to Moses before he faced the adversary, the Lord helped Moses put his life into perspective. After experiencing God’s glory, Moses said, “Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed” (Moses 1:10). This incident enabled Moses to withstand the temptations of the adversary that followed.

Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was an inexperienced young man, who in his lifetime would repeatedly face adversarial power and the overwhelming problems it brings. By facing the adversary first, then being saved from his assault by the appearance of the Father and the Son, Joseph learned this indelible lesson: as great as the power of evil might be, it must always withdraw with the appearance of righteousness.

This lesson was critical in Joseph’s apostolic education. He needed this knowledge not only because of the personal trials that lay ahead of him but also because of the overwhelming opposition he would face in founding and directing the Church.

The boy Joseph went into the grove seeking wisdom, and wisdom he received. His apostolic instruction had begun. Among the great apostolic lessons of this First Vision were both the physical nature of the Savior and Heavenly Father and the initial and fundamental lessons relating to Their power—each a pillar of apostolic testimony.

The Book of Mormon

Joseph Smith’s early apostolic instruction continued with his translation of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon gave Joseph access to “the fulness of the everlasting Gospel” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34), principles that were necessary to understand even prior to the organization of the Church. The Prophet was introduced to numerous “plain and most precious” (1 Nephi 13:26) prophetic and apostolic testimonies regarding the Savior, all of which served as models for him.

Indeed, the Book of Mormon prophets employ over 100 titles in their teachings of Christ, each of which helped Joseph understand the Savior’s divine role.1 By virtue of these teachings, Joseph Smith became intimately acquainted with ancient prophets, giving him insight into the divine purpose of his responsibilities.

The Book of Mormon illuminates the universality of Christ’s Atonement. The Savior’s holy sacrifice is not confined to the borders of the Holy Land of His day or even restricted to the apostolic world of the original Twelve. The Atonement encompasses all of God’s creations—past, present, and future. What an impression Jacob’s teaching of the “infinite atonement” (2 Nephi 9:7) must have made on the mind of young Joseph, especially in contrast to Christian teachings at the time.

The Book of Mormon also introduces the universality of the Resurrection and other doctrines relating to it. Discourses on this doctrine by Lehi, Jacob, King Benjamin, Abinadi, Alma, Amulek, Samuel the Lamanite, and Moroni are all rich sources of instruction.

During the translation of the Book of Mormon, the Prophet received additional valuable personal instruction concerning the redemptive and saving power of Christ. In 1828 Martin Harris persuaded Joseph to lend him the first 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript. When Martin Harris lost those pages, the Prophet felt an enormous despair.2 His mother, Lucy Mack Smith, recorded that Joseph exclaimed: “Oh, my God! … All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinned—it is I who tempted the wrath of God. … How shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the angel of the Most High?”3

For well over a month the Lord left Joseph in this terrible condition of remorse.4 Then came relief and the apostolic lesson. The Lord told Joseph:

“The works, and the designs, and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated, neither can they come to naught. …

“For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him” (D&C 3:1, 4).

These words carefully describe what Joseph Smith had been experiencing. He had learned the exacting nature of the apostolic call and to whom the Apostle, at all cost, owes his loyalty. “Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words,” Joseph was told, “yet you should have been faithful” (D&C 3:7–8). Joseph Smith had lost access to the plates for a season and had been taught an invaluable lesson. Subsequently, the plates were returned, and his position as translator restored.

How critical were the lessons provided by the translation of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith grew in his apostolic calling! The Book of Mormon is the “keystone of our religion”5 because it contains so many prophetic testimonies of Christ and stands as a tangible witness of the Restoration.

Continuing Revelation and Scripture

After finishing the translation of the Book of Mormon in 1829 and organizing the Church in 1830, Joseph Smith had the opportunity to receive continuing apostolic education through the process of translating other scripture. This included three years of translating the Bible and, beginning in 1835, translating the book of Abraham. Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible expanded his understanding of the role of Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles. It also resulted in additional revelation, namely the book of Moses.

The book of Moses provided the Prophet with important knowledge about the Savior’s ministry, including His role in the Creation. “The Lord spake unto Moses, saying: … I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things” (Moses 2:1). Further, He said, “And worlds without number have I created; … and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten” (Moses 1:33).

The book of Moses clarified Christ’s relationship to the Father in the premortal existence and reinforced the Prophet’s understanding of the ascendant power of righteousness. One of the most beautiful of all the apostolic lessons that came to Joseph Smith in this revelation was the confirmation of God’s love. It was so different from the harsh, unforgiving, and judgmental personage so many believed God to be; the book of Moses reveals a God of infinite compassion. Enoch saw that the “God of heaven … wept” (Moses 7:28) over those who would not receive Him. Wishing to know how it was possible, Enoch was given an answer that has a familiar biblical feel to it: “I [have] given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father. … Wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?” (Moses 7:33, 37; see also Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37–39).

Through the translation of the book of Moses, the Prophet also became more acquainted with the redeeming and saving power of the Savior. As the Lord said, this earth was created “by the word of my power” (Moses 1:32) for the purpose of bringing “to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39). Many long years before the Savior taught Thomas and the Twelve that “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6), He revealed to Moses that “this is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time” (Moses 6:62).

The First Vision in the grove, the translation of the Book of Mormon, the revision of the Bible, the revelation of the book of Moses, and the translation of the book of Abraham laid the basic foundation of the Church, largely through the rapidly expanding knowledge and testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith relating to Jesus Christ.

Revelations given to him and compiled in the Doctrine and Covenants contain a wealth of knowledge concerning the Savior. One could research the numerous topics and cross-references of the Topical Guide and Guide to the Scriptures referring to Jesus Christ and still not understand the breadth of information on the Savior that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to the world. I am grateful to know that Jesus was “in the beginning with the Father” (D&C 93:21). I am grateful to know that He “suffered these things for [me], that [I] might not suffer if [I] would repent” (D&C 19:16).

My Testimony of What the Prophet Revealed

I am grateful for yet one other thing about the Savior’s ministry that stirs my soul deeply. From studying the promises of Malachi, Moroni’s initial visit with Joseph, the Savior’s words to the Nephites, and the visit of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple, I learn that God loves His children and has provided a way for each to return to Him. I know of no doctrine more just, no teaching that gives more hope than that of redemption of the dead. I am so grateful for the revelations that teach me that the Savior’s Atonement reaches to those who have lived, loved, served, and hoped for a better day yet never heard of Jesus or had the opportunity to embrace His gospel. This knowledge alone would be sufficient to convert me to the gospel if I knew nothing else at all. Here, at least for me, is the ultimate testimony of Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice.

What, then, can be said of the incomparable saving power of Christ? That which Joseph Smith learned in the Sacred Grove about the power of righteousness overcoming evil foreshadows the final scene. So reveals the Lord:

“I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself—

“Retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment” (D&C 19:2–3).

Our own testimonies of the Savior are framed by the testimony and teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Is it any wonder then that the Prophet taught that “the fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”6

Joseph Smith’s apostolic testimony of the divine reality and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, as well as his knowledge of the redemptive and saving power of the Savior, can best be seen by the Prophet’s own beautiful, powerful, and succinct witness:

“And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—

“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).

How grateful I am for the apostolic call of Joseph Smith.

 

 

 

Notes

1. See Book of Mormon Reference Companion, ed. Dennis L. Largey (2003), 457–58.

2. See Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith, ed. Preston Nibley (1958), 128–29.

3. History of Joseph Smith, 128, 129.

4. The 116 pages were lost in June 1828. In July Joseph Smith received what is now section 3 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In September the plates were returned to the Prophet. See the historical introductions to D&C 3; 10.

5. History of the Church, 4:461.

6. History of the Church, 3:30.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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To: Invincibly Ignorant; T Minus Four; Elsie; Godzilla
That is exactly the kind of post I expect from a Freeper who has no theological position on either side of a heated debate. Issues only, no ad hominems at all. Good job.

You are welcome back to the thread provided your posts are like that one.

2,161 posted on 01/06/2011 9:26:20 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: T Minus Four

Had he existed 1500 years ago he would have been burned at the stake.
Or crusified on a cross................Thats how religions get started and flourish.


2,162 posted on 01/06/2011 9:27:05 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: Syncro

You don’t know what you believe just like the truths of the founding fathers of this great nation has been distorted so had the word of the Lord been distorted by your Tradition of men during the time of Constantine 325 AD

A council of men agreed upon which version to go with...

These are things of the world, not of the Lord, things of the Lord come through divine Revelation from the Lord Jesus Chirst no other way.

Thanks also to the internet there is more history on Constantine as most corrupt and murdering man yet you accept this Pagan version of the Nicene Creed!

There is something wrong with this picture!


2,163 posted on 01/06/2011 9:27:23 AM PST by restornu
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To: eastforker; Alamo-Girl
What you assume is play ('thank you for playing'), we take to be the most serious engagement for we are contending for the souls of those taken prisoner by heresies.

Now when I use the word 'heresies' I refer to the things which insult the very nature of God as He has defined Himself in Judeo-Christian rvelation.

God says of Himself that He is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last. As Alamo_Girl put it last evening, Only He was before the universe came into existence, and when the created stops being, only He will remain. In that sense God is the limits definition of all that there is, whether spiritual or physical. All exist between the limits of Whom IS and Whom will remain when all you or I can even imagine is no more.

Let's go even further, for the benefit of discussion on a plane you may enjoin. There is not one thing that is not a created thing EXCEPT God. God IS ... before there was anything created, God IS. When the universe expands into a cold lifeless expanse in approximately 10120 billion years, if some as yet undiscovered principle of Physics does not intervene sooner, God IS even at that limit. If God rolls up the universe when it reaches the cold dead state at that far time, and He blows it into nothingness so time and space and matter and souls and spirits are no more, God will still be I AM.

Christians--not cultist pretending to be Christians, but CHRIST ians-- believe God has told us in the pages of the Tanakh and New Testament that Jesus IS The Word and that The Word was with God in the beginning and Was God. That means--if words mean anything--that Jesus is either the very first of God's Creation and from Whom all else issues, or it means Jesus is God as He creates dimension time, dimension space, and all the rest of what we have and will discover.

In the sense of the Trinity, I would assert that the second way of contemplating Jesus, The Word made flesh WHo dwelt among us, is the more accurate. In my calculus, when God declares what will be, it is as sure as already in existence, for the God I believe in cannot lie ... men and women can and do lie, but it is not in God's nature to lie therefore He is not a liar.

The Bible makes it very clear that Jesus could not sin as He walked among men during His ministry because His seed, His nature remained within Him.

You may believe yourself to be samrter than to believe in the Judeo-Christian God, but have you ever really discussed Whom God IS with a learned Christian? Oh, I don't mean just someone who has warmed a pew among fellow Christians for deacdes, I'm referring to the Christian into Whom God placed a burning desire to know Whom God IS and has been studying for decades to comprehend God in all the many ways He IS revealing Himself. If she will allow it, you could find just such a Christian in Alamo_Girl, and you will be rewarded beyond your imaginings in asking for her opinions and revelations. In the meantime, following is a little essay on the nature of The Alpha and Omega God as expressed in three ways, three venues, three functions, and two of the three are functioning within the limits of Alpha and Omega, while remaining aspects of He Who IS and ever shall be, Who told us His name is I AM:

The One God evidences Himself in the work He is doing

The following will be 'a way' to understand the notion of the trinitarian nature of God, not a strictly Biblical explanation, but one which is applicable to the teaching of the Bible. Here goes:

God The Father Almighty, The Alpha and Omega, is greater than His creation, thus greater than dimension time and dimension space, thus we may think of The Father Almighty as beyond time and space but not prevented from touching and indeed penetrating His creation. Everything that exists does so between the limits, the beginning and end beyond which I AM still IS.

I liken the universe of space and time to a bubble: what is inside the bubble is in time and space. But the nature of what is inside the bubble is only partially understood in modern Physics.

The Bible relates scenes which defy the simplistic notions we use for assumptive science. God The Father Almighty is as comfortable outside the bubble as He is inside the bubble.

Modern Physics has discovered that the balance of forces and tensions sustaining the universe necessary for human life to arise within the universe is extremely delicate, on the order of a mathematical improbability, represented as a 'one in less than' fraction so tiny that a one over a one followed by more than one-hundred zeros (1/10100) defines the probability that the whole thing remains in balance! Such a delicate balancing act is but one of the continuing 'works' of the Holy Spirit of God. It is by the Spirit of God, The Word, that the universe came into existence and it is said in the Bible that by His Spirit the whole is maintained.

But the Bible also states that The Word was with God in the beginning and was God. In John's gospel we find that Jesus is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. So, inside the bubble Created by The Father Almighty, sustained by God The Holy Spirit, is the Word, God made flesh Who dwelt among us. The Creator does not stop being greater than His creation bubble, nor does His Spirit cease to sustain it all in balance, when Jesus comes in the flesh to dwell among us.

God The Father Almighty created and creates all the where/when realms we may discover; His Holy Spirit maintains the balance and separateness of our where/when and all other where/whens, and Jesus has moved in and out of other where/whens: as shown when He resurrected from the tomb without rolling away the stone, just passing out of the tomb where/when, into 'another' where/when, then back into our where/when as He spoke to the women come to the sepulchre; and when He appeared in a locked and shuttered room with the disciples present; or when He appeared suddenly with the disciples walking on a road and broke bread with them then left our where/when to go to the 'other' where/when.

The trinitarian nature of God is shown in the Bible, even in the Tanakh. Trinity IS the nature of God as we have been given to know. God's nature may be much more than trinitarian, but I for one haven't a clue what other works God does since I'm limited to the capabilities He has built into us. Even in the Old Testament/Tanakh, we do have instruction on the Three nature of God as Creator, Sustainer, and Deliverer. God Is manifested as three yet one, seen identified by 'the work He is doing'.

With each manifestation, we are given to realize His presence simultaneously as Creator--because we exist in the realm He created, as Sustainer--because the balance is too delicate to stand alone without His sustaining the separation and interdependence, and as God with us in the person of Jesus our Lord and Savior.

2,164 posted on 01/06/2011 9:27:48 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: restornu
You don’t know ... you accept

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

2,165 posted on 01/06/2011 9:28:49 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: T Minus Four

You meant post #2156 for Normandy, I assume.


2,166 posted on 01/06/2011 9:32:00 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: Religion Moderator
no ad hominems at all.

Optimist ;0)

2,167 posted on 01/06/2011 9:34:45 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: MHGinTN

Yeah, I went through all that for 8 years of parochial school, communion, catachism etc,.I lived it for about 20 years and realized I was being a hypocrite. So I quit lying to myself that I believed something I truly did not.But to this day I have never belittled anyone for their faith.


2,168 posted on 01/06/2011 9:40:17 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: TaraP

Tara, there is a very long history here between two groups of posters. You have no idea of what has gone on before.

We use different methods for different circumstances. If you knew me in “real life” you would see me being a kind, compassionate flower-strewing witness most of the time.

We see a group of people bastardizing and blaspheming Chritianity and trying to suck other people down into their pit. we’ve tried to reason them out of it. We’ve tried to love them out of it.

But at some point it’s a declared war and it’s been going on for years before you wandered in.

I suggest you get on the internet and do several weeks of investigating the LDS religion and see if you still consider it worthy of defense. It will be very enlightening, I promise.


2,169 posted on 01/06/2011 9:41:10 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: restornu
You don’t know what you believe just like the truths of the founding fathers of this great nation has been distorted so had the word of the Lord been distorted by your Tradition of men during the time of Constantine 325 AD

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2,170 posted on 01/06/2011 9:44:03 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you I was coming from the point of view distortion in history so therefore the person is banking on truth when it was founded on a faulty foundation therefore making ones out come skewed.


2,171 posted on 01/06/2011 9:45:12 AM PST by restornu
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To: Religion Moderator
That is exactly the kind of post I expect from a Freeper who has no theological position on either side of a heated debate. Issues only, no ad hominems at all. Good job. You are welcome back to the thread provided your posts are like that one.

K thanx. I'm happy to provide my position to those truly interested. I would implore you as well to be aware I'm frequently the recipient of the ad hominems and most of time I'm merely responding in kind and not initiating. Thank you sir.

2,172 posted on 01/06/2011 9:45:51 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: restornu

the wick man was Sherman who denied the Christ!
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Then post that stuff to FReeper Sherman and not to another FReeper...


2,173 posted on 01/06/2011 9:48:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

This still is an open forum and the words I post defend the Lord Jesus Christ.


2,174 posted on 01/06/2011 9:52:11 AM PST by restornu
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To: eastforker
I would venture to say there are millions of people that consider themselves as somewhat Christian

It's true. I used to be one.

2,175 posted on 01/06/2011 9:54:06 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: greyfoxx39; Normandy
You meant post #2156 for Normandy, I assume

Oops, yes.

2,176 posted on 01/06/2011 10:00:05 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: restornu

Well that is not the Lord Counsel.

Search the scriptures is good advice which enables one to discern which is the Lord’s way and not get fleece.
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The scriptures involved in that praise of the Bereans by Luke was the scriptures in the Christian Bible...

The Old Testament actually...

Not the false words from the book of mormon or the koran...

Neither book was even written as yet...

It was 700 years before Mohammad wrote his religious text...

and 1800 years until Joey Smith wrote his...

The Bereans were only interested in what the Jewish Holy scripture had to say about the coming Messiah and how to recognize Him when He came...

These Bereans were Jews and knowing the scriptures of Isaiah and the other real prophets and checking them for clarity they immediately knew that what Paul said about Jesus was true...

That the LORD Jesus Christ was indeed God...the Alpha and Omega...God come in the flesh...God the Savior who was to come...had come...

The Bereans were not reading or searching out anything the mormons agree with...

The mormons could be identified with the less noble Thessalonians...

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Dr Luke, Acts 17:11)


2,177 posted on 01/06/2011 10:02:03 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

to you maybe but others might differ

This is a big nation the Lord did not make it just for one kind of individuals thinking!


2,178 posted on 01/06/2011 10:06:07 AM PST by restornu
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To: eastforker

Honesty is to be highly prized. When you saw yourself as being a hypocrite you were closer to God than you could even imagine! God IS, and He IS a rewarder of those who dilligently seek Him. I’m sorry you think you’ve stopped seeking Him ... your very involvement on a thread like this one shows you still acknowledge He IS, though you’ve yet to find a particular convention which suits your quest to know Whom He IS. You have my respect, for what it’s worth.


2,179 posted on 01/06/2011 10:19:51 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

False Mormonic Jesus Placemarker


2,180 posted on 01/06/2011 10:44:32 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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