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Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ
LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender

Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

By Elder Dennis B. Neuenschwander Of the Seventy

 

 

 

Dennis B. Neuenschwander, “Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ,” Ensign, Jan 2009, 16–22

Adapted from a presentation to the Seventy.

 

 

 

In the Doctrine and Covenants we read that Joseph Smith was “called of God, and ordained an apostle of Jesus Christ” (D&C 20:2). The call of an Apostle is first to witness or testify of Jesus Christ. Old Testament prophets testified of His coming. The New Testament Apostles bore personal witness of Christ’s being and of the absolute reality of His Resurrection. This apostolic witness was the basis of their teaching. “Ye shall be witnesses unto me” (Acts 1:8) was Jesus’s instruction to the original Twelve. Peter testified on the day of Pentecost to the Jews who had gathered “out of every nation” (Acts 2:5) that “this Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses” (Acts 2:32). Similarly, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that Jesus “was seen of me also” (1 Corinthians 15:8). The sure witness of Christ’s being and the reality of His Resurrection is the first pillar of apostolic testimony.

The second pillar is centered on the Savior’s redemptive and saving power. Peter teaches that to the Lord “give all the Prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43).

Without these twin pillars of testimony concerning Christ, there could be no Apostle. Such testimonies are born of experience, divine command, and instruction. For example, Luke writes that Christ showed Himself to the Apostles “alive after his passion … being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Acts 1:3).

How does the Prophet Joseph Smith fit into these apostolic requirements? The answer is “Perfectly.”

The First Vision

Joseph Smith’s apostolic instruction began in 1820. Pondering the questions of religion, he soon found that there was no way to reason or argue one’s opinion to an authoritative conclusion concerning the correctness of the various churches or their doctrines. Short of a divine manifestation, young Joseph could add only one more opinion to the already existing “war of words and tumult of opinions” (Joseph Smith—History 1:10). But Joseph’s questions on religion were answered by the personal and physical manifestation of God the Father and His divine and living Son, Jesus Christ—an experience referred to as the First Vision.

Like that of the original Apostles, Joseph’s experience with Deity was direct and personal. There was no need for the opinion of others or the deliberations of a council to define what he saw or what it came to mean to him. Joseph’s vision was at first an intensely personal experience—an answer to a specific question. Over time, however, illuminated by additional experience and instruction, it became the founding revelation of the Restoration.

As apostolic as this manifestation of Christ’s being, existence, and Resurrection was to Joseph Smith, it was not the only thing Jesus wanted to teach him. The boy Joseph’s first lesson arose from the manifestation of Christ’s absolute, omnipotent, and divine power. Joseph learned firsthand at least one meaning of the redeeming and saving power of Christ when he prayed in the grove. As he began to pray, “Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction” (Joseph Smith—History 1:15). With every bit of energy Joseph had, he began to call upon God to deliver him from the grasp of this enemy.

“At the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction … , I saw a pillar of light. …

“It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound” (Joseph Smith—History 1:16–17).

Joseph Smith’s confrontation with the adversary is reminiscent of an experience Moses had, about which the Prophet would learn some few years later. Unlike the boy Joseph, however, Moses saw God’s greatness first and then was confronted with the power of the adversary before being delivered from his influence. (See Moses 1.)

The difference in the order of events is significant. Moses was already far into maturity and had much knowledge and influence prior to this event. By displaying His magnificent power to Moses before he faced the adversary, the Lord helped Moses put his life into perspective. After experiencing God’s glory, Moses said, “Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed” (Moses 1:10). This incident enabled Moses to withstand the temptations of the adversary that followed.

Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was an inexperienced young man, who in his lifetime would repeatedly face adversarial power and the overwhelming problems it brings. By facing the adversary first, then being saved from his assault by the appearance of the Father and the Son, Joseph learned this indelible lesson: as great as the power of evil might be, it must always withdraw with the appearance of righteousness.

This lesson was critical in Joseph’s apostolic education. He needed this knowledge not only because of the personal trials that lay ahead of him but also because of the overwhelming opposition he would face in founding and directing the Church.

The boy Joseph went into the grove seeking wisdom, and wisdom he received. His apostolic instruction had begun. Among the great apostolic lessons of this First Vision were both the physical nature of the Savior and Heavenly Father and the initial and fundamental lessons relating to Their power—each a pillar of apostolic testimony.

The Book of Mormon

Joseph Smith’s early apostolic instruction continued with his translation of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon gave Joseph access to “the fulness of the everlasting Gospel” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34), principles that were necessary to understand even prior to the organization of the Church. The Prophet was introduced to numerous “plain and most precious” (1 Nephi 13:26) prophetic and apostolic testimonies regarding the Savior, all of which served as models for him.

Indeed, the Book of Mormon prophets employ over 100 titles in their teachings of Christ, each of which helped Joseph understand the Savior’s divine role.1 By virtue of these teachings, Joseph Smith became intimately acquainted with ancient prophets, giving him insight into the divine purpose of his responsibilities.

The Book of Mormon illuminates the universality of Christ’s Atonement. The Savior’s holy sacrifice is not confined to the borders of the Holy Land of His day or even restricted to the apostolic world of the original Twelve. The Atonement encompasses all of God’s creations—past, present, and future. What an impression Jacob’s teaching of the “infinite atonement” (2 Nephi 9:7) must have made on the mind of young Joseph, especially in contrast to Christian teachings at the time.

The Book of Mormon also introduces the universality of the Resurrection and other doctrines relating to it. Discourses on this doctrine by Lehi, Jacob, King Benjamin, Abinadi, Alma, Amulek, Samuel the Lamanite, and Moroni are all rich sources of instruction.

During the translation of the Book of Mormon, the Prophet received additional valuable personal instruction concerning the redemptive and saving power of Christ. In 1828 Martin Harris persuaded Joseph to lend him the first 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript. When Martin Harris lost those pages, the Prophet felt an enormous despair.2 His mother, Lucy Mack Smith, recorded that Joseph exclaimed: “Oh, my God! … All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinned—it is I who tempted the wrath of God. … How shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the angel of the Most High?”3

For well over a month the Lord left Joseph in this terrible condition of remorse.4 Then came relief and the apostolic lesson. The Lord told Joseph:

“The works, and the designs, and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated, neither can they come to naught. …

“For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him” (D&C 3:1, 4).

These words carefully describe what Joseph Smith had been experiencing. He had learned the exacting nature of the apostolic call and to whom the Apostle, at all cost, owes his loyalty. “Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words,” Joseph was told, “yet you should have been faithful” (D&C 3:7–8). Joseph Smith had lost access to the plates for a season and had been taught an invaluable lesson. Subsequently, the plates were returned, and his position as translator restored.

How critical were the lessons provided by the translation of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith grew in his apostolic calling! The Book of Mormon is the “keystone of our religion”5 because it contains so many prophetic testimonies of Christ and stands as a tangible witness of the Restoration.

Continuing Revelation and Scripture

After finishing the translation of the Book of Mormon in 1829 and organizing the Church in 1830, Joseph Smith had the opportunity to receive continuing apostolic education through the process of translating other scripture. This included three years of translating the Bible and, beginning in 1835, translating the book of Abraham. Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible expanded his understanding of the role of Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles. It also resulted in additional revelation, namely the book of Moses.

The book of Moses provided the Prophet with important knowledge about the Savior’s ministry, including His role in the Creation. “The Lord spake unto Moses, saying: … I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things” (Moses 2:1). Further, He said, “And worlds without number have I created; … and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten” (Moses 1:33).

The book of Moses clarified Christ’s relationship to the Father in the premortal existence and reinforced the Prophet’s understanding of the ascendant power of righteousness. One of the most beautiful of all the apostolic lessons that came to Joseph Smith in this revelation was the confirmation of God’s love. It was so different from the harsh, unforgiving, and judgmental personage so many believed God to be; the book of Moses reveals a God of infinite compassion. Enoch saw that the “God of heaven … wept” (Moses 7:28) over those who would not receive Him. Wishing to know how it was possible, Enoch was given an answer that has a familiar biblical feel to it: “I [have] given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father. … Wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?” (Moses 7:33, 37; see also Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37–39).

Through the translation of the book of Moses, the Prophet also became more acquainted with the redeeming and saving power of the Savior. As the Lord said, this earth was created “by the word of my power” (Moses 1:32) for the purpose of bringing “to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39). Many long years before the Savior taught Thomas and the Twelve that “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6), He revealed to Moses that “this is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time” (Moses 6:62).

The First Vision in the grove, the translation of the Book of Mormon, the revision of the Bible, the revelation of the book of Moses, and the translation of the book of Abraham laid the basic foundation of the Church, largely through the rapidly expanding knowledge and testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith relating to Jesus Christ.

Revelations given to him and compiled in the Doctrine and Covenants contain a wealth of knowledge concerning the Savior. One could research the numerous topics and cross-references of the Topical Guide and Guide to the Scriptures referring to Jesus Christ and still not understand the breadth of information on the Savior that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to the world. I am grateful to know that Jesus was “in the beginning with the Father” (D&C 93:21). I am grateful to know that He “suffered these things for [me], that [I] might not suffer if [I] would repent” (D&C 19:16).

My Testimony of What the Prophet Revealed

I am grateful for yet one other thing about the Savior’s ministry that stirs my soul deeply. From studying the promises of Malachi, Moroni’s initial visit with Joseph, the Savior’s words to the Nephites, and the visit of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple, I learn that God loves His children and has provided a way for each to return to Him. I know of no doctrine more just, no teaching that gives more hope than that of redemption of the dead. I am so grateful for the revelations that teach me that the Savior’s Atonement reaches to those who have lived, loved, served, and hoped for a better day yet never heard of Jesus or had the opportunity to embrace His gospel. This knowledge alone would be sufficient to convert me to the gospel if I knew nothing else at all. Here, at least for me, is the ultimate testimony of Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice.

What, then, can be said of the incomparable saving power of Christ? That which Joseph Smith learned in the Sacred Grove about the power of righteousness overcoming evil foreshadows the final scene. So reveals the Lord:

“I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself—

“Retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment” (D&C 19:2–3).

Our own testimonies of the Savior are framed by the testimony and teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Is it any wonder then that the Prophet taught that “the fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”6

Joseph Smith’s apostolic testimony of the divine reality and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, as well as his knowledge of the redemptive and saving power of the Savior, can best be seen by the Prophet’s own beautiful, powerful, and succinct witness:

“And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—

“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).

How grateful I am for the apostolic call of Joseph Smith.

 

 

 

Notes

1. See Book of Mormon Reference Companion, ed. Dennis L. Largey (2003), 457–58.

2. See Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith, ed. Preston Nibley (1958), 128–29.

3. History of Joseph Smith, 128, 129.

4. The 116 pages were lost in June 1828. In July Joseph Smith received what is now section 3 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In September the plates were returned to the Prophet. See the historical introductions to D&C 3; 10.

5. History of the Church, 4:461.

6. History of the Church, 3:30.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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To: Normandy

The most inaccurate theme that comes up repeatedly is that Mormons don’t believe in Jesus Christ as Savior —
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They dont...

While the Christians believe that the LORD Jesus Christ is God...always was God...is the Messiah, the Savior...the Judge of all, male and female, black and white...

Not only do the mormons believe that their mormon jesus was nos not god but a man...they also add Joey Smith as a savior and judge...and even more important than their mormon jesus...who seems to have nothing to do with the decision of whether or not a white mormon male gets into his mormon afterlife...

Mormon Doctrine on Judgement

Joseph Smith...does sit in judgment on us according to Brigham Young and others who tell us he must “certify” us into glory”

“If I ever pass into heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of Prophet Joseph”
—Brigham Young
—JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
False Prophecies

Second President Brigham Young once remarked,
“I know that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, that this is the Gospel of salvation, and if you do not believe it you will be damned, every one of you”
(Journal of Discourses 4:298, March 29, 1857).

On October 9, 1859, Young said,
“From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are — I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent”
(Journal of Discourses 7:289).

“He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.”
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

“You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god...”
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

“If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]”
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God”
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

“I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, “Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;” if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again.”
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

...to get by Joseph Smith...

They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
—Brigham Young
—JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
False Prophecies


2,121 posted on 01/06/2011 8:23:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: All

Just to make myself clear about all my post from yesterday.I did not come here to belittle anyone about their beliefs. How far would a thread get if it was on an anti-jewish platform. It would probably get deleted and the poster reprimanded within 50 post. I just don’t see a need to insult anybody about their faith, and as shown by the last few post,become childish about it. To me all religions are like alcohol. Some light and fruity, some strong and bitter, some leave you with a hangover and for those that have a daily diet of any of it, need more and more of it to make it through the day. Sort of like some beer comercial. More taste less filling, The king of beers,the land of sky blue waters etc.So no matter what flavor you like or wich one agrees with you the most, in the end any of them will get you drunk if you drink enough of it.So, thats my outlook about religion, ya’ll have a nice day and thanks for playing.


2,122 posted on 01/06/2011 8:25:40 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: T Minus Four; Jim Robinson

In case you misunderstood JR is not the wicked man those who promote contention are the wicked ones

read the whole scripture not just the verse.


2,123 posted on 01/06/2011 8:32:18 AM PST by restornu (Separating the wheat from the tares the wheat is graceful and the tares are spiteful!)
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To: Godzilla

Yeah, I saw that. Still don’t know why anyone plays with the fool.


2,124 posted on 01/06/2011 8:32:18 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: restornu; Jim Robinson; T Minus Four; greyfoxx39

LOL

Oh Resty

after attempting to use the words of the Christian Bible as a weapon against a Chtistian...

You pop just ONE verse from your own book of mormon into your argument right at the end...

“Jacob 7:

23 And it came to pass that peace and the love of God was restored again among the people; and they searched the scriptures, and hearkened no more to the words of this wicked man.”

“and hearkened no more to the words of this wicked man.” is a link... to what ???

and who is the “wicked man”

Is this what you think of Jim Robinson ???


2,125 posted on 01/06/2011 8:33:36 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: eastforker
To me all religions are like alcohol.

Well, eastforker, in my opinion you should consider going on the "FR Religion Forum Wagon" and stick with the forums that don't offend your agnostic sensibilities.

Ya see, what we do on the Religion Forum is discuss religion...all day every day. Perhaps you could post a thread yourself in which to discuss "Lack of Religious Belief, Pro or Con" but I'd suggest it go up in the chat forum.

Have a good day.

2,126 posted on 01/06/2011 8:34:53 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: eastforker

All I can say is that you (and others) are missing the whole point. The Jews are not presenting themselves as christians. The Mormons are. The Christians know they are not. The Christians post official LDS writings and scripture so people can see where they diverge.

Nobody would get bent out of shape if they went about being Mormon and quit trying to take a ride on the “Christian” brand name.

We’d still love them and try to evangelize them.


2,127 posted on 01/06/2011 8:35:36 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four
Nobody would get bent out of shape if they went about being Mormon and quit trying to take a ride on the “Christian” brand name.

Yep, BINGO. Its the dishonesty and deceptive practices that have me riled up. Muslems do the same btw, they call it Taqiyya. Just burns me up. Be open and upfront about what you believe and don't believe is all we ask.

We'd still evangelize and pray for etc. etc. but sheez - just be honest for pete's sake!

2,128 posted on 01/06/2011 8:43:15 AM PST by conservativegramma
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To: restornu
Resty, I couldn't help but notice that your Biblical smackdown of JimRob used a quote from the Book of Mormon at the end. The Bible talks about love, and seeking in the Scriptures - the Book of Mormon talks about not hearkening to a wicked man.

Are you calling Jim wicked, trying to get banned? Even if you got banned, would it prove anti-Mormon bias, or just that you were insulting? You are failing to display the charity found in the Bible passage you quoted.

2,129 posted on 01/06/2011 8:44:15 AM PST by mrreaganaut (See the wild curelom herds at Zion National Park!)
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To: restornu; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; colorcountry; T Minus Four; Syncro; Godzilla; Elsie; ...
Resty, if you will be for even a moment honest with yourself, you will find that you closed your post violating the thing you supposed you were quoting from the Bible regarding 'love' (agape).

When you try to be clever in using scripture to try and insult someone (you spittled in closing, "and hearkened no more to the words of this wicked man" ... and you directed that at Jim Robinson who allows your religion to post at Freerepublic!), you are not loving the other, you are feeding your twisted ego. Astonishingly, you appear incapable of shame as you repeatedly insult the host.

2,130 posted on 01/06/2011 8:44:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: T Minus Four
As far as I can tell, Mormons don't really have any need for Jesus. He's done His work, and has opened the path to resurrection by going first.

There is a thread on exmormon.org right now discussing the fact that the temple has now replaced Joseph Smith as the object of mormon worship.

Very informative and interesting comments.

Oh good - Joseph worship is out and the temple is now our Golden Calf

Example: "They do worship the temple. Why? The temple is their key population control mechanism. They prepare the youth for years to attend and get married in the temple. It allows them to shame members who don't pay a full tithing or slack on callings. Temple marriage is the big stick they church likes to swing. Once you get the system, it's a really sick form of manipulation.

If Jesus was really important to them, Jesus would be on the temple and not Moroni. Jesus is only used to make Mormonism more acceptable than it would be without the Jesus image. Jesus is just a public relations tool."

Very similar to what we say here, except for the general anti-church comment.

2,131 posted on 01/06/2011 8:45:37 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: T Minus Four

No, not missing the point, I do understand.Like someone who is 1/8 cherokee proclaiming to be a native American.Or some one who is half black and half white, he would never be labeled a white man for he will always be refered to as black, no matter how he sees himself.Racial intolerance to me is right up there with religious intolerance and I won’t indulge in that.Maybe we need a new word around here, FRinquisition might fit the bill.


2,132 posted on 01/06/2011 8:47:37 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: greyfoxx39

I know I would be less free if I left Mormonism — for I would be abandoning the truth: “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free”

As far as my salvation is concerned, I would not expect to receive the blessings of exaltation — the highest reward available to God’s children.

What my eternal destination would be, I don’t know. I don’t know the mind of God, who judges “all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts” Doctrine and Covenants 137:9


2,133 posted on 01/06/2011 8:49:20 AM PST by Normandy
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To: greyfoxx39

I weas just reading that...

A letter from a mormon bishop informing the members that the “theme” for this year is “Making the Temple the Great Symbol of Our Faith.”


2,134 posted on 01/06/2011 8:49:45 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: conservativegramma
We'd still evangelize and pray for etc. etc. but sheez - just be honest for pete's sake!

If they were honest they would no longer belong to the LDS...

Of course many are lying to the world, others, just to themselves...

2,135 posted on 01/06/2011 8:52:59 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: restornu
In case you misunderstood JR is not the wicked man those who promote contention are the wicked ones

I don't believe that for a N.Y. minute...

Kinda reminds of the time you agreed that a FReeper could have been the killer of a mormon...Then you backtracked like an escaped con, trying to fool the posse on his heels.

It ain't working here either, sister!

2,136 posted on 01/06/2011 8:53:23 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: MHGinTN

Are you mind reading again…

Think what you want, think the worst, the glass is always half empty etc.

Well that is not the Lord Counsel.

Search the scriptures is good advice which enables one to discern which is the Lord’s way and not get fleece.


2,137 posted on 01/06/2011 8:53:47 AM PST by restornu
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To: ejonesie22

Lying in this “church” is “hiding pearls from the swine;” stealing is taking as the Lord’s agents; seducing other people’s wives is exalting, and killing people is saving them.

Wilhelm Ritter von Wymetal “Joseph Smith the prophet, his family and friends” (1886) p 165.


2,138 posted on 01/06/2011 8:55:54 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39
The most powerful entity in the LDS world is the PR Department...

Prophets, apostles and even gods bend to its will...

2,139 posted on 01/06/2011 8:56:24 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: eastforker

Posting conflicting or contradictory information about a belief system is not the same as “insulting anybody”.

But truth be told, your angst really should be directed at the mormons then if you’re going to stay on that line of thinking. They’re the ones who “insulted everyone else” because their founder came out firing with the “all are an abomination” statement.

We don’t view exposing that information as a game.


2,140 posted on 01/06/2011 8:56:27 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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