Teen not getting new trial in attempted rape case [Lds

From the article: ...found guilty of two first-degree felony sex crimes will not be getting a new trial...The LDS bishop of both Millett and the girl also wrote two letters to the court, at least one of which expressed some disconnect between what the girl told her bishop and what she wrote in her statement. However, after much debate about what sections of the journal would be allowed and stipulations from both sides that the bishop's letters were not admissible, the victim got on the stand and repeatedly said that although she didn't want to go to police and that she didn't like working with them, her statement is factual.

From the article: Millett was found guilty of attempted rape and forcible sodomy in April in regards to his relationship with the then-14-year-old girl, who was his neighbor. He pleaded guilty in July to kidnapping and forcible sexual abuse, both second-degree felonies, in a separate incident; according to a police affidavit he and some friends tried to convince a 16-year-old girl to strip for them, and when she refused they held her down and removed her clothing.

New Update: Teen avoids prison time in sexual abuse cases

Excerpt from latest article: Prosecutor Craig Johnson asked for prison in the case, saying Millett has already been given numerous chances by juvenile and adult courts. He pointed out that Millett had 12 offenses as a juvenile, including two within days of his birthday. He also had a burglary charge a week after he turned 18 before the two sexual abuse cases. Johnson said he did not know what would get Millett's attention, and he did not want to see more victims. "Thirteen times now, he's failed," Johnson said. "There shouldn't be a 14th." Several families spoke on Millett's behalf, and his supporters filled the courtroom's benches. Family members contested the facts in his cases, saying he made foolish mistakes, but the police were not impartial in their reports. His mother said what Millett did was "teen stuff," and said the kidnapping case involved teasing that went too far. She said her son was initially charged with aggravated kidnapping in the case, but another juvenile involved was charged only with a misdemeanor.

Ah, Utah "justice" for dozen-time offender just convicted of double-felony sex abuses gets one year of local jail vs. prison time. (Won't get credit for just over a year already served...so that works out to about a year per felony)

I predict this young man will have a long, criminal career and/or a violent end soon.

according to a police affidavit he and some friends tried to convince a 16-year-old girl to strip for them, and when she refused they held her down and removed her clothing.
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Oh what “nice” mormon boys...

Why dont they make them priests of the religion ???

Oh they already are...

Never mind...

“Thirteen times now, he’s failed,” Johnson said.
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Is this because this is Utah or because the perp is a mormon that crimes are called “fail(ings)” ???

In TN we dont say a rapist “failed”

In TN we dont say a burglar “failed”

In fact it would be that the perp successed to be a rapist or a burglar...

Teen not getting new trial in attempted rape case

PROVO -- A 19-year-old Cedar Hills man found guilty of two first-degree felony sex crimes will not be getting a new trial.

Well... TECHNICALLY...

Sergey Tyler Millett was in court Friday...

HMmmm...

Millet?

Where have I heard THAT name before???

I wonder if...

...Nah. one has 2 T's in it.

Professor Robert Millet teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004 http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/ <-- Complete and uneditted

Timeline... Subject...

0:59 "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16 "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02 "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57 "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

The LDS bishop of both Millett and the girl also wrote two letters to the court, at least one of which expressed some disconnect between what the girl told her bishop and what she wrote in her statement.

Why the heck is the LDS bishop getting involved?

And the over the top, obssesed anti-Mormon activist posts continue.

I am pretty sure this means that all Mormon males are sexual deviants. ayup. That must be the logical conclusion. /eyeroll Too much. /smh

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you?

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis. They have an obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The strawman argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picked quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.

Link

As of December 31, 2009, there were 51,736 LDS missionaries serving in 344 church missions throughout the world. Their work, often in cooperation with local members, resulted in 280,106 convert baptisms in 2009.[12] Author David Stewart points out that the number of convert baptisms per missionary per year has fallen from a high of 8.03 in 1989 to just 4.67 in 2005.[13] He argues that the number of converts would increase if Mormon missionaries made greater efforts in meeting new people; he points out that the average companionship spends only four or five hours per week attempting to meet new people.[13]

How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church. Don't you just feel SO sorry that the poor, persecuted mormons aren't able to have their message heard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqhFm2Zpck

I witness to everyone that every time I see a spam post I will post a rebuttal.

The strawman argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picked quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

From the article: Thirteen times now, he’s failed,” Johnson said.

Is this because this is Utah or because the perp is a mormon that crimes are called “fail(ings)” ??? In TN we dont say a rapist “failed” In TN we dont say a burglar “failed” In fact it would be that the perp successed to be a rapist or a burglar... [TN]

Ah, "catch of the day" TN, re: discerning Mormon culture.

Idaho pastor Mark Cares, who runs an outreach to Mormons, says in his book that Lds already downplay sin. They see it as more in terms like a "bad habit."

Well put, TN.

I am pretty sure this means that all Mormon males are sexual deviants. ayup. That must be the logical conclusion.

Did you notice PD that the 14-yo victim of this man's felony was also Lds?

What? Not a word of compassion for her as a victim? Does she not need our prayers, PD?

Do ANY of these victims of this man need our prayers? (Or should we just do a "Nauvoo Expositor" on this whole crime wave and blame the publisher like Joseph Smith did?)

You only rush to the defense of the felon? Do you do that for all sex-felons, PD, or only Mormon ones?

Wanna tell us where "PR" responsiveness ranks within your internal encouragement to post defenses of this felon?

I just hope nobody pulls a Joseph Smith aiding & abetting act & like Smith's followers, put two guns with bullets into the hands of this guy in jail.

Why the heck is the LDS bishop getting involved?

My Q is: Why didn't this article id this bishop as this man's ex-bishop? I mean what?

The Mormon church doesn't ex-communicate felons who are exploiting 14 yo girls in their midst? They want to keep such men on as their ward wards?

The convictions, this article says, was in April. It's now 7 months or almost 7 months. Not enough time to ex-communicate? The update article from yesterday's Provo Daily Herald (see link @ post #1) says: "He also had a burglary charge a week after he turned 18 before the two sexual abuse cases.")

So surely between a burglary charge and two sex assault felonies, something in there might prompt an ex-communication somewhere???

Who has knowledge to tell us if there is a powerful family connection able to pull strings with judge and local bishop alike...something tied to what Elsie wrote about in post #6?

Since the mormon bishop got involved...

I wonder if there was a “court of love”

against the victim...

since she was just a female...

and not a male anjd a “worthy priesthood holder” like the rapist was...

Did you notice PD that the 14-yo victim of this man’s felony was also Lds?

What? Not a word of compassion for her as a victim? Does she not need our prayers, PD?

Do ANY of these victims of this man need our prayers? (Or should we just do a “Nauvoo Expositor” on this whole crime wave and blame the publisher like Joseph Smith did?)

You only rush to the defense of the felon? Do you do that for all sex-felons, PD, or only Mormon ones?

Once again, just like in a previous thread, I am being wrongly accused of defending a perpetrator of a crime. This is true only in the heads of obssesed, anti-Mormon attackers.

Of course the story is a tragedy and all involved need our prayers. But I am addressing the bizzare need of some to post such things. Are we really expected to believe that the anti-Mormon gang has any positive reason to post this story and make it’s comments? Hardly.

This is a perfect example of what I mention in my regular post to these attack threads. A news story twisted to try to make the Church look bad. Truly pathetic.

I am pretty sure this means that all Mormon males are sexual deviants. ayup. That must be the logical conclusion. /eyeroll Too much. /smh
(You make this TOO easy!)

What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?

"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65

spencer kimball "Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196

"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.

kimball "I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965

"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155

"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

Did SOMEone say "JERKY"??

A news story twisted to try to make the Church look bad. Truly pathetic.

Yup: WAY too easy!

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!

Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).

Who has knowledge to tell us if there is a powerful family connection able to pull strings with judge and local bishop alike...something tied to what Elsie wrote about in post #6?

That's a good point.

I will give you a clue from the top down this place is bias!

These kinds of things happen in all faiths..

Christian school principal rapes an under age girl!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dzOsnKUJc