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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: ansel12
Since Catholics vote proabortion and are more proabortion than even the giant pool of simply "Protestant"

Well, this Catholic is staunchly Pro-Life.

Is your statement above a fact or opinion?

61 posted on 08/07/2010 5:25:44 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: Tribune7

How many “Days of Obligation” have you skipped? What is the purpose of the Mass? Why must you attend each week? What is the means of salvation in the Roman Catholic Church? The finished work of Christ on the Cross 2000 years ago, or the work of Christ in the Mass each week?


62 posted on 08/07/2010 5:27:20 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("It's the peoples' seat!")
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To: RnMomof7

You wrote:

“A saved man would never choose a faith that believes the cross is insufficient.”

The Catholic Church has ALWAYS taught that the cross is sufficient.


63 posted on 08/07/2010 5:30:43 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: ansel12

http://www.marylandmarchforlife.org/


64 posted on 08/07/2010 5:31:03 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: ansel12

NOR RE THE RC’S FAVORING IDIOT TRAITOROUS GLOBALIST POLITICOS, either.


65 posted on 08/07/2010 5:31:39 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: vladimir998
Is this quote in the Bible or is it not: Call no man Father but your Father in Heaven. This is a yes or no answer. It is in my Bible and if it is not in your Bible then you are lost as you are “probably” more knowledgeable than me but in the wrong Bible. This falls under my statement of things it tells you not to do that you are doing. Now, after saying that, if you come back with some Catholic foolishness instead of what the Bible actually says , poor you.
66 posted on 08/07/2010 5:34:44 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Rockingham; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Yeah, IF he continues down the path he’s evidently on . . . conditioning the world and the sheeple to gradually accept the “ET’S” as “space brothers” not needing salvation &/OR being elligible for salvation through Christ . . . setting the critters/fallen angels up as “space brother” guides that the faithful ought to listen to will make a lot of changes for a lot of folks’ RELIGION . . . and their destinies from Heaven to hell.


67 posted on 08/07/2010 5:36:33 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You wrote:

“For the best part of two thousand years the Catholic Church deliberately kept the people ignorant of “Bible Doctrine.””

False. People were instructed from the scriptures.

“The reason was, the official position of the RC Church: that the scriptures be damned, Christianity is what the priests say it is.”

Again, false. We believe scripture is inspired and we do not damn it. Please don’t spread such falsehoods. Try to be better than your protestantism.

“You don’t need to know the Bible, WE will tell you what is important for you to know.”

And what was an illiterate person expected to do.

“This false teaching is what ultimately led to the Reformation, which sought only to return the church to the teachings of the Gospel and not the musings of any number of corrupt priests and “Popes.””

False. The Protestant Revolutionaries taught heresy.

“For this, Luther was excommunicated and had a price put on his head.”

False. Luther was excommunicated for his heresy. He was also a criminal.

“Many Catholics are grotesquely ignorant about the history of their own church.”

On average they vastly better informed about history than Protestants are.

“Their reulting bigotries and stupidities do not go down well among the educated Christian community.”

The bigotries and stupidities belong to the anti-Catholics - as exemplified by those in this thread.


68 posted on 08/07/2010 5:37:06 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: ansel12

If we can get Catholics to vote like Protestants then we could stop abortion.


More truth than not.

However, these globalist world controllers:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2

have been persuaded by the ‘critters’ that the global population MUST be reduced to 200 million in order to save humanity and the planet from total destruction.

It’s just more of satan’s hobby of death, mayhem, suffering while he has a little time left.


69 posted on 08/07/2010 5:39:03 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ansel12

THEREFORE,

THEY ARE NOT ABOUT TO TOLERATE scaling back abortion, homosexuality, drug abuse, engineered plagues, wars, etc.

However, these globalist world controllers:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2

have been persuaded by the ‘critters’ that the global population MUST be reduced to 200 million in order to save humanity and the planet from total destruction.

It’s just more of satan’s hobby of death, mayhem, suffering while he has a little time left.


70 posted on 08/07/2010 5:39:47 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
Yeah, IF he continues down the path he’s evidently on . . . conditioning the world and the sheeple to gradually accept the “ET’S” as “space brothers” not needing salvation &/OR being elligible for salvation through Christ . . . setting the critters/fallen angels up as “space brother” guides that the faithful ought to listen to will make a lot of changes for a lot of folks’ RELIGION . . . and their destinies from Heaven to hell.

<< 2 Thessalonians 2 >>
1 Now we beseech you, brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together to him,
2 That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

71 posted on 08/07/2010 5:41:03 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Interesting, the assertion, essentially, that RC’s are HAS BEEN conservative voters. LOL.Sigh.


72 posted on 08/07/2010 5:41:25 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: fish hawk

You wrote:

“Is this quote in the Bible or is it not: Call no man Father but your Father in Heaven. This is a yes or no answer.”

Yep, it’s there - so what do you call your father? I once was talking to a dumb anti-Catholic (redundant, I know) and he brought up the same verse. He looked triumphant. I asked him what he called his father. He looked shocked. His anti-Catholic world collapsed in an instant. http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp

“It is in my Bible and if it is not in your Bible then you are lost as you are “probably” more knowledgeable than me but in the wrong Bible.”

I clearly am more knowledgeable if this is the best you can do. I not only know the verse, I actually know what it means. You apparently don’t. No surprise there.

“This falls under my statement of things it tells you not to do that you are doing.”

It doesn’t tell us what you suggest. Are you really saying that the Bible says we should call our fathers “father”?

“Now, after saying that, if you come back with some Catholic foolishness instead of what the Bible actually says , poor you.”

No, I simply come back with the truth. Christ was NOT saying we should NOT call our fathers “father”.

Again, what do you call your father? If you call him “father” or “Dad” (which is just another way of saying “father”) you’re violating your own interpretation of scripture (no matter how wrong it is). That would make you not only wrong but a hypocrite. It would also make you a typical anti-Catholic: wrong and hypocritical.


73 posted on 08/07/2010 5:44:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: ought-six
You mean Protestants like the Clintons?

Nice way to try and trivialize such an important subject, but you unknowingly made the point, Clinton was a proabortion leader of Catholics, not Protestants.

Protestants voted against Clinton, Catholics voted for him, the same thing happened when his veep ran in 2000.

I of course meant that when we can persuade the majority of Catholics to become more pro-life and vote pro-life like the majority of the Protestants are and do, then we can end the power of the Democratic left.

This is something that conservatives should be agreeing on.

74 posted on 08/07/2010 5:44:28 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

You wrote:

“Catholics have been supporting the left since Catholic immigration first started in the 1830s, but even in the last 80 years the Catholics have voted against the Republicans in all but 5 elections of the 20 elections since 1932. Protestants voted against the Democrats in all but 3 of those 20 races (1932,1936,1964), Even FDR had to count on the overwhelmingly liberal Catholic vote in 1940 and 1944 because Protestants were voting Republican.”

Again, Catholics are Catholics and CINOs are CINOs.


75 posted on 08/07/2010 5:45:33 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: RnMomof7
We know which followers God has saved..the scriptures tell us ...

How about if you enlighten us, then? Quote the scripture which tells us that Catholics don't go to heaven and evangelicals do.
76 posted on 08/07/2010 5:46:26 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: ansel12

You wrote:

“Protestants voted against Clinton, Catholics voted for him, the same thing happened when his veep ran in 2000.”

The mendacity of anti-Catholics is amazing. Catholics make up one-fifth of the population of the US. Clearly plenty of Protestants - tens of millions in fact - voted for Clinton. They voted for him in the mostlt Protestant state of Arkansas long before he ran for President as well. I guess anti-Catholics just have no conscience at all and just think they can lie about anything.


77 posted on 08/07/2010 5:51:18 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: fish hawk; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

It is not surprising to see a movement as mentioned in OP article.

1. Chaos is growing exponentially;
2. Kids have long been raised on SITUATION ETHICS vs GOD’S WORD;
3. Even Evangelical Christianity has increasingly been watered down, sanitized, gussied up, rationalized into milque toast pablum in too many congregations and denominations;
4. Certainly the traditional denominations have become UNITARIANIZED AND PC’d quite far from the Biblical standards and priorities;

5. AND AS EVER . . . FROM THE TIME WHEN GOD INVITED INDIVIDUALS IN THE WILDERNESS TO MEET WITH HIM AT THE TENT OF MEETING—AND THEY FEARFULLY DECLINED GOD ALMIGHTY’S INVITATION—INSISTING THAT MOSES DO THE SPIRITUAL/RELIGIOUS RELATING *FOR THEM* . . . FROM THAT TIME TO THIS—lazy, fearful, cowardly, shallow, rebellious, manipulative, deluded, luke-warm . . . pseudo-’Christians’ have increasingly been eager for a PROFESSIONAL PRIESTLY ELITE to ‘DO THE GOD THING’ *FOR* THEM.

6. GIVEN ALL SUCH . . . the pomp and cirumstance; the predictable expectations and rituals; the authoritarian declarations and strictures . . . all must seem quite welcome to youths crying out for structure, stability, predictability regarding spiritual and eternal issues.

7. ALL THE MORE SO when they are not willing to do the hard vulnerable, imprecise, intangible work of the dance to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling—face to face with THE FATHER via Christ’s Blood and Holy Spirit in the privacy of their own prayer closets.


78 posted on 08/07/2010 5:51:34 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: RnMomof7

Extremely sobering Scriptures.

May God have mercy.

Thx Thx.


79 posted on 08/07/2010 5:53:47 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: vladimir998

That chanting is meaningless.


80 posted on 08/07/2010 5:54:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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