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To: vladimir998
Is this quote in the Bible or is it not: Call no man Father but your Father in Heaven. This is a yes or no answer. It is in my Bible and if it is not in your Bible then you are lost as you are “probably” more knowledgeable than me but in the wrong Bible. This falls under my statement of things it tells you not to do that you are doing. Now, after saying that, if you come back with some Catholic foolishness instead of what the Bible actually says , poor you.
66 posted on 08/07/2010 5:34:44 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

You wrote:

“Is this quote in the Bible or is it not: Call no man Father but your Father in Heaven. This is a yes or no answer.”

Yep, it’s there - so what do you call your father? I once was talking to a dumb anti-Catholic (redundant, I know) and he brought up the same verse. He looked triumphant. I asked him what he called his father. He looked shocked. His anti-Catholic world collapsed in an instant. http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp

“It is in my Bible and if it is not in your Bible then you are lost as you are “probably” more knowledgeable than me but in the wrong Bible.”

I clearly am more knowledgeable if this is the best you can do. I not only know the verse, I actually know what it means. You apparently don’t. No surprise there.

“This falls under my statement of things it tells you not to do that you are doing.”

It doesn’t tell us what you suggest. Are you really saying that the Bible says we should call our fathers “father”?

“Now, after saying that, if you come back with some Catholic foolishness instead of what the Bible actually says , poor you.”

No, I simply come back with the truth. Christ was NOT saying we should NOT call our fathers “father”.

Again, what do you call your father? If you call him “father” or “Dad” (which is just another way of saying “father”) you’re violating your own interpretation of scripture (no matter how wrong it is). That would make you not only wrong but a hypocrite. It would also make you a typical anti-Catholic: wrong and hypocritical.


73 posted on 08/07/2010 5:44:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: fish hawk; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

It is not surprising to see a movement as mentioned in OP article.

1. Chaos is growing exponentially;
2. Kids have long been raised on SITUATION ETHICS vs GOD’S WORD;
3. Even Evangelical Christianity has increasingly been watered down, sanitized, gussied up, rationalized into milque toast pablum in too many congregations and denominations;
4. Certainly the traditional denominations have become UNITARIANIZED AND PC’d quite far from the Biblical standards and priorities;

5. AND AS EVER . . . FROM THE TIME WHEN GOD INVITED INDIVIDUALS IN THE WILDERNESS TO MEET WITH HIM AT THE TENT OF MEETING—AND THEY FEARFULLY DECLINED GOD ALMIGHTY’S INVITATION—INSISTING THAT MOSES DO THE SPIRITUAL/RELIGIOUS RELATING *FOR THEM* . . . FROM THAT TIME TO THIS—lazy, fearful, cowardly, shallow, rebellious, manipulative, deluded, luke-warm . . . pseudo-’Christians’ have increasingly been eager for a PROFESSIONAL PRIESTLY ELITE to ‘DO THE GOD THING’ *FOR* THEM.

6. GIVEN ALL SUCH . . . the pomp and cirumstance; the predictable expectations and rituals; the authoritarian declarations and strictures . . . all must seem quite welcome to youths crying out for structure, stability, predictability regarding spiritual and eternal issues.

7. ALL THE MORE SO when they are not willing to do the hard vulnerable, imprecise, intangible work of the dance to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling—face to face with THE FATHER via Christ’s Blood and Holy Spirit in the privacy of their own prayer closets.


78 posted on 08/07/2010 5:51:34 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: fish hawk

The following verses are in your bible too... James 2:21, John 8:56, Matthew 3:9, Acts 7:2, Acts 21:40, 22:1, 9:10, Romans 4:16-17.

The quote from Matthew 23 can not be removed context of Jesus’ entire statement and the audience for whom Matthew was writing.


152 posted on 08/07/2010 8:15:17 PM PDT by rwilson99
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To: fish hawk
Here in Poland, the Poles call their priest "Ksiąz" which does not translate as father in any way.
243 posted on 08/08/2010 12:25:12 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: fish hawk
Here in Poland, the Poles call their priest "Ksiąz" which does not translate as father in any way.

The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10).

Rabbi = teacher. And yet Paul says "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11).

And, when you call someone Teacher -- are you incorrect? When you call some a PhD or Doctor in Theology, are you incorrect? Doctor (gen.: doctoris) means teacher in Latin and is an agent noun derived from the verb docere ('teach').
244 posted on 08/08/2010 12:31:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: fish hawk
Here in Poland, the Poles call their priest "Ksiąz" which does not translate as father in any way.

The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10).

Rabbi = teacher. And yet Paul says "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11).

And, when you call someone Teacher -- are you incorrect? When you call some a PhD or Doctor in Theology, are you incorrect? Doctor (gen.: doctoris) means teacher in Latin and is an agent noun derived from the verb docere ('teach').
245 posted on 08/08/2010 12:31:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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