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To: fish hawk

You wrote:

“Is this quote in the Bible or is it not: Call no man Father but your Father in Heaven. This is a yes or no answer.”

Yep, it’s there - so what do you call your father? I once was talking to a dumb anti-Catholic (redundant, I know) and he brought up the same verse. He looked triumphant. I asked him what he called his father. He looked shocked. His anti-Catholic world collapsed in an instant. http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp

“It is in my Bible and if it is not in your Bible then you are lost as you are “probably” more knowledgeable than me but in the wrong Bible.”

I clearly am more knowledgeable if this is the best you can do. I not only know the verse, I actually know what it means. You apparently don’t. No surprise there.

“This falls under my statement of things it tells you not to do that you are doing.”

It doesn’t tell us what you suggest. Are you really saying that the Bible says we should call our fathers “father”?

“Now, after saying that, if you come back with some Catholic foolishness instead of what the Bible actually says , poor you.”

No, I simply come back with the truth. Christ was NOT saying we should NOT call our fathers “father”.

Again, what do you call your father? If you call him “father” or “Dad” (which is just another way of saying “father”) you’re violating your own interpretation of scripture (no matter how wrong it is). That would make you not only wrong but a hypocrite. It would also make you a typical anti-Catholic: wrong and hypocritical.


73 posted on 08/07/2010 5:44:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998; fish hawk
Yep, it’s there - so what do you call your father? I once was talking to a dumb anti-Catholic (redundant, I know) and he brought up the same verse. He looked triumphant. I asked him what he called his father. He looked shocked. His anti-Catholic world collapsed in an instant. http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp

ROTFLMAO!!!

A "PATER" or "PAETR" is specifically a pagan priest.

Christ said:

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat v 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

In CONTEXT, Christ is certainly criticizing religious leadership - And it is proved by the insertion of "PATER" (father) into the list. There were "Rabbis" in Judaism, and there were also those considered to be "Masters" in Judaism - but the position of "father" is not within the historic Judaic context.

It certainly makes sense if Christ is speaking of Jewish "Rabbis", pagan "Fathers", and Eastern "Ascended Masters". This is an indictment of ALL of the religious hierarchy, or that hierarchy which had installed itself above the proper position and historic context of the Temple system.

And further, He immediately relates the PROPER role of the educated and the leaders:

Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

NO mere man is to be given such a title or the praise that such titles bring - That is wholly reserved to God and to Christ.

And THAT alone, brings hierarchical churches down in a heap.

501 posted on 08/08/2010 6:35:00 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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