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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: Cvengr
The more I study the RCC, the more I witness a grouping of people devoted to “anything but Christ” in their thinking, tradition, and object of devotion.

I never cease to be impressed by the number of protestant comments that are empty of any message beyond the writer's expression of antipathy and hatred for those of us that will not share in their rebellious fruit.

I have yet to see a single theological accusation made against the RCC that was not completely dependant on the accuser's selective, private interpretation of scripture for validity.

Just like their forefathers, I have no doubt such people will go to their graves still believing in their own righteousness when they accused apostles of harvesting on the Sabbath.

601 posted on 08/09/2010 3:58:58 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: roamer_1

You wrote:

“There were “Rabbis” in Judaism, and there were also those considered to be “Masters” in Judaism - but the position of “father” is not within the historic Judaic context.”

The Holy Spirit taught differently: as in Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to “our father Abraham,” or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of “our father Isaac.”

And someone should tell St. Paul he wasn’t supposed to call anyone “teacher” because he said this:

“For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth” (1 Tim. 2:7).

And

“For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher” (2 Tim. 1:11).

And

“God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28)

And

“his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers” (Eph. 4:11).

So was Paul violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring to others as “teachers”? Clearly - according to your interpretation - he must have been. And that’s how we know you’re wrong.

Also, St. Paul referred to others whom he brought into the faith as his children or sons:

“Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ” (1 Cor. 4:17)

and

“To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (1 Tim. 1:2)

“To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (2 Tim. 1:2).

“This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare” (1 Tim 1:18)

“You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:1)

“But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).

“To Titus, my true child in a common faith: grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior” (Titus 1:4)

“I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10).

Imagine that - St. Paul is actually daring to violate your interpretation of Jesus’ words. Who should I believe - you (presenting a view no one believed in until practically a moment ago) of a great Apostle?

But wait, there’s more. Look what St. Paul said here:

“I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

I BECAME YOUR FATHER IN CHRIST JESUS THROUGH THE GOSPEL. Clearly St. Paul was violating your interpretation. Who am I to believe? He was an inspired author. You’re just someone on the internet posting a view no historic Christian believed in before a short time ago. I’ll stick with St. Paul and all orthodox Christianity.

And what would dare say about John too (1 John 2:13–14).

I don’t think you know the scriptures nearly as well as you believe.

You wrote:

“And THAT alone, brings hierarchical churches down in a heap.”

No, Christ created a hierarchy. He created the office of Apostle and yet there were disciples clearly lesser in authority. That’s a hierarchy right there.


602 posted on 08/09/2010 4:53:49 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Cronos
This is why you see in Protestantism, only say preaching or only singing. This is unlike at mass where we have preaching, singing, the offering, etc. where we read from the OT, Gospels, psalms, epistles etc.

That's right...I attended a Protestant church for a while that did nothing but take an offering...Wasn't even a preacher...Didn't need one...

603 posted on 08/09/2010 5:45:26 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: roamer_1

It’s Sacred Scripture, the Inspired Word of God. It says what it says.


604 posted on 08/09/2010 5:46:00 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: narses; Quix

When all else fails, resort to ridicule.

Have you so lost the debate that this is the best you can do?


605 posted on 08/09/2010 5:46:19 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law; Quix

Godwin’s Law.

The white flag has been shown.


606 posted on 08/09/2010 5:49:29 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: narses; Quix

Godwin’s Law.

The white flag has been shown.


607 posted on 08/09/2010 5:50:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos; AnneM62; RnMomof7; boatbums; smvoice; presently no screen name; roamer_1
This is why you see in Protestantism, only say preaching or only singing. This is unlike at mass where we have preaching, singing, the offering, etc. where we read from the OT, Gospels, psalms, epistles etc.

God is not limited as those outside The Church seem to think, but is unlimited

God is NOT limited? Just sacrificed each and every mass in a liturgy so rigidly adhered to that I could still go in a mass decades later and recite along with it.

Besides, you show with that comment, that you really don't know what many Protestant worship services are like.

608 posted on 08/09/2010 5:54:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos
And, you can experience a personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist, a personal one on one relationship

Nope...The cracker can't get beyond that barrier that separates the body and the bones from the soul and the spirit...

The cracker only goes into the flesh...Jesus goes into the soul...You can't put a cracker into your soul and you can't put Jesus into your flesh...

609 posted on 08/09/2010 6:01:43 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: verga; roamer_1; Quix; ansel12
You left out the empty cross for an empty religion. Isn't taht all the prots really do have?

Yeah, because in our religion, Jesus died once for all and rose from the grave conquering death, once for all.

Ain't it great?

You can join us any time when you realize that Jesus' work on the cross is finished, just like He said.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

The EMPTY cross is what is so significant. He's not still hanging there suffering and dying.

610 posted on 08/09/2010 6:08:10 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: John Leland 1789
Got any idea what his point is? Why doesn't he ask, "Do you preach Christ and Him crucified?"

There is nothing beyond eating the cracker...

611 posted on 08/09/2010 6:14:30 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: verga
You left out the empty cross for an empty religion.

Well you got that wrong as well as everything else...

The Cross is empty because Jesus is not there...You guys like to keep Jesus on the Cross, suffering, in immense pain and you won't let him die...

The blood is not still running out onto the ground...Jesus is not shedding blood...It has been shed...

Jesus is risen...His time on the Cross is 'finished'...

612 posted on 08/09/2010 6:21:59 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
There is nothing beyond eating the cracker...

Pray tell, where does the NT advocate mockery and insult toward those who say "Jesus is LORD?"

613 posted on 08/09/2010 6:23:35 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: metmom
Jesus suffers each time one commits sin and He commands us to take up out cross and follow Him. Your ilk demand an antiseptic Jesus so you don't need to share in His suffering. Don't be surprised if you don't share in His redemption. Your flawed interpretation of scripture only serves to assuage your pride. Without apostolic guidance you might as well be a pagan.
614 posted on 08/09/2010 6:25:22 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: presently no screen name; John Leland 1789
They don’t talk to ‘fringe evangelical’ groups because they HAVE NOTHING to offer.

Yes, that's right -- all these fringe Pentecostal (except Assemblies of God), Baptist etc. groups have NOTHING to offer.

Even the fire-worshippers from which you should escape, they have nothing to offer Christianity so we in Christ's One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church won't waste time with them when we can talk to the Traditional Lutherans, Anglicans etc.
615 posted on 08/09/2010 6:26:53 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: roamer_1
Oh, no ones asking you to have crackers. We're telling you to come, experience a personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist, in the True Presence of Christ. And hear the Word of God, the entire word.

And, very interesting you brought out the OPC --> you mean the group that in it's Sunday readings only reads a bit from the OT and then from the Pauline Epistles and NEVER reads from the Gospels? The same group that is included here?

616 posted on 08/09/2010 6:37:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: roamer_1
Oh, no ones asking you to have crackers. We're telling you to come, experience a personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist, in the True Presence of Christ. And hear the Word of God, the entire word.

And, very interesting you brought out the OPC --> you mean the group that in it's Sunday readings only reads a bit from the OT and then from the Pauline Epistles and NEVER reads from the Gospels? The same group that is included here?


You can still reject the OPC's pagan syncretism and come to Christ in Christ's Church
617 posted on 08/09/2010 6:37:42 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Iscool
You guys like to keep Jesus on the Cross, suffering, in immense pain and you won't let him die...

This has to be one of the silliest statements I have ever heard.

618 posted on 08/09/2010 6:45:49 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: roamer_1
If you check this link to one example you will see that for Sunday, June 20th, 2010 (the only worship bulletin on the site), they only read Old Covenant Reading: Zechariah 8:1-23, New Covenant Reading: Ephesians 4:17-32



Why exactly is it just excerpts? I guess the OPC thinking is why have all the nasty stuff like the letter of James or the Gospels or the OT.

In contrast, you can come to Christ's One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church and read the entire Bible, in the fullness of Christ
619 posted on 08/09/2010 6:54:44 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cvengr

And, pray tell, exactly where are you “studying” this from? Are you reading through the Church’s description of itself as in the Catechism? Are you reading through Church History? Are you reading from the Encyclopedia Britannica for impartial history? Or are you reading from some pastor who is telling you his opinion?


620 posted on 08/09/2010 6:56:02 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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