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1 posted on 05/04/2008 5:03:17 PM PDT by restornu
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To: SkyPilot; Elsie

PING


2 posted on 05/04/2008 5:05:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

I believe it.


3 posted on 05/04/2008 5:12:54 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: restornu

The bullet that killed Joseph Smith on the night of his assassinationwould hit him as he attempted to go out a window to draw attention away from the people who survived the event.

I suppose that is one way to see it.


5 posted on 05/04/2008 5:27:56 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: restornu
The bullet that killed Joseph Smith on the night of his assassination would hit him as he attempted to go out a window to draw attention away from the people who survived the event.

Joseph Smith was fleeing the situation like a man caught in bed by his lover's spouse. - lol

6 posted on 05/04/2008 5:30:11 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: restornu
But those who belong to what is termed the Restorationist Movement remember him as a martyr, and the prophet's assassination lives on as an important moment in their faith.

I trust that the "Restorationist Movement" includes Warren Jeffs and the FLDS Church?

9 posted on 05/04/2008 5:35:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: restornu

Bump for later read


11 posted on 05/04/2008 5:39:02 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: restornu

His biggest mistake was in writing polygamy into the Mormon canon. It really was just to justify his own sexual appetites. Smith and later his successor Brigham Young ran their domains as dictators.

Polygamy was/is fundamentally incompatible with western democratic values. It inevitably gives rise to evil behavior and the resemblance of the FLDS communities to Wahabi islamist extremism is no accident.


16 posted on 05/04/2008 5:56:14 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: restornu

“The events that led up to the first Mormon prophet’s assassination “

Was he assassinated twice?


18 posted on 05/04/2008 6:05:24 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Carbon is the fifth most abundant element on the planet.)
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To: restornu

Didn’t South Park do an episode and explain all of this?


22 posted on 05/04/2008 6:16:34 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: restornu
I wonder what the Nauvoo Expositor printed in it's first issue? What was so bad that Joseph Smith ordered the destruction of the Expositor's presses? Didn't Joseph Smith know about the Constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech?
25 posted on 05/04/2008 6:26:13 PM PDT by whipitgood (Neither of, by, nor for the people any longer...)
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To: restornu

What’s the deal with all the Mormon spam lately?


26 posted on 05/04/2008 6:27:14 PM PDT by bethelgrad (Chaplain serving my beloved Marine Corps)
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To: Spunky

bump for later read


30 posted on 05/04/2008 6:44:39 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: restornu

INTREP


31 posted on 05/04/2008 6:50:44 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: restornu

If people want to read some sources that are first hand that show what a corrupt hooligan Joseph Smith really was, here’s the reading you have to do:

Governor Thomas Ford: his first hand account of both sides of the story and how he averted massive bloodshed at his own peril. If anyone is a hero, Ford is, not Smith and his pepperbox pistol and calls for the Mormon Legion to save him.

http://solomonspalding.com/docs/frd1854c.htm#pg313

But to see what a skunk Joe Smith was, read the Nauvoo Expositor, the newspaper whose press was destroyed to stop revelations of Smith’s wife stealing, land speculating, fugitive harboring, vote buying, and self ordination as king setting up a secessionist scenario.

http://solomonspalding.com/docs/exposit1.htm

But to get the full flavor, you should read Ebeneezer Robinson’s account as a faithful Mormon, and how Joe Smith had his “revelation” that tithing was needed so he could pay off his debts from having run the Kirtland Bank scam.

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/RigWrit/M&A/Return1.htm

But even before that, you all need to be aware that Smith almost got a thousand people killed at Far West in Missouri because he was an egocentric maniac just like Jim Jones. Reed Peck was a Mormon follower of Smith who even did jail time at Liberty with Smith, so the nasty history of what Smith was doing comes from the inside from followers.

http://www.mormoninformation.com/reedpeck.htm

Here are some words of Reed Peck discussing his feelings towards his commander, Joseph Smith:

[You may here ask in conclusion of the story how Joseph Smith retains the confidence of his followers and even bind them more closely to the cause when the ultimate of all his plan has been a total failure He tells them as an excuse for being in the hands of his enemies after the delivery of so many brave speeches “that he was betrayed” The very men who risked their lives at his request [p. 140] to open a communication with the army are now branded as traitors When no others would venture we we stepped forward and were instrumental in saving the lives of hundreds perhaps by bringing about a treaty Propositions were made to us and we faithfully reported the same to the presidency and they undestood the whole matter, still Joseph pretends to the church that he was betrayed by us as christ was by Judas

You may ask how he can expect to support his church as a man of God when [p. 141] facts are exhibited to the world in their true light You may ask how the church can proclaim their innocence to the world with the hope of being believed after having been engaged in the devastation of a part of Davies County & numerous acts of oppression in Caldwell If the character of a few among the Mormons who were opposed to their acts of violence and their genral course in Caldwell can be blackened they may assert their title to the character of christs with the fear of contradiction The few whom I have [p. 142] infrequently mentioned as being as being opposed in principle to their conduct were the chief witnesses summoned in the examination an the Mormons are exerting themselves to make the great public believe that their testimony is false To cast a shade over our character in the eye of the world for the purpose perhaps of weakening our testimony which in time will be made public they accuse us of treachery, perjury and cowardice In behalf of the innocent part of the community I informed Genl Doniphan [p. 143] that there were many individuals among the Mormons who were as warmly opposed to the wicked transactions in Davies and the oppressive influence by which the church is led as any man in his army could be If the order of the Governor had been in hand and an immediate attack intended would not thus have averted the blow If it would have been believed the Mormons certainly would have been pleased if I had told him that they were all opposed to robbing and oppressions

[p. 144] I intended to take a course that would save the greatest number from misery whether guilty or innocent knowing that the guilty had been made so by placing too much confidence in the divine authority of their leaders, believing that God would shield them from harm and prevent the consequences that would naturally flow from their conduct - I did them a service but still the sacrifice of my character is necessary to support one of more importance I have been informed that the army were [p. 145] generally acquainted with the course pursued by John Corrill myself and some others for six months preceding the war - therefore no one can accuse us of cowardice for we knew that our innocence among men secure our Safety ]

I have tons of other historical documents regarding the Kirtland bank fraud and Smith’s looking for buried treasure in homes, and of his defrauding merchants and his low character in general. But you get the idea. So when this poppycock comes up that “Joseph Smith was martyred”, I can only say Mormons in general are lucky they ween’t wiped out in a Civil War at Nauvoo that Lt. General Smith (as he was fond of being called), which is what would have happened if Smith hadn’t been taken out.


37 posted on 05/04/2008 7:21:09 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: restornu

Lies all of it. There is one God and Mohammad is his Prophet !!!!

Or else it was Ellen White. Or Mary Baker Eddy. Or else Nostradamus.

Good Lord. There’s a reason we were warned of those false prophets who would come and lead many astray.


48 posted on 05/04/2008 7:37:55 PM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: restornu

I encourage all who might be interested in Mormon doctrine to read articles on this site - http://www.mazeministry.com/


51 posted on 05/04/2008 7:45:17 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: restornu
I always wonder how Smith never was shot dead in bed with another man's wife?

I know that is is impossible to be a man of God and screw as many married women as Smith did.

How that doesn't raise suspicion with any Mormon believer is beyond my comprehension.

57 posted on 05/04/2008 8:29:07 PM PDT by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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58 posted on 05/04/2008 8:33:42 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: restornu
Joseph Smith is vilified by ... his own HISTORY!!
60 posted on 05/04/2008 8:35:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Joseph Smith is vilified by ... His own WORDS!!

 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 

61 posted on 05/04/2008 8:36:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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