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1 posted on 08/29/2006 1:08:38 PM PDT by NYer
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love that graphic! it looks like the angel is saying "Shush!"


2 posted on 08/29/2006 1:09:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hack for liberty.)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Jeff Miller, at The Splendor of Truth blog, intones his own contributions.


Heretical Hymns

Victor Lams posts about infiltrating the liturgical complex by writing outlandishly heretical hymns that will be snapped up by music publishers and then slowly trying to introduce real music. He has some very funny possible hymn titles of which I have put the words to one of them:

I Am The Resurrection Muffin

For the poor, the sad the downtrodden
Look to me the Resurrection Muffin
No half-baked theology for you or me
I am fully cooked plainly you can see

Chorus:
Repent deeply of all your sins
Look deeply upon the Resurrection Muffin
Your salvation now has truly began
available in Banana Nut or Healthy Oat Bran

Diversity in liturgy is no problem for me
Yummy Chocolate Chip and also Blueberry
I am the true paschal pastry
Eat of me and you will be set free

Chorus:

All the best liturgists fully approve of me
Chocked full of nuts like their liturgies
Pop me right out of that muffin tin
Enjoy the life of the muffin within

Chorus:

And here is another offering sung to Here I am Lord, and if you don't know the music that goes along with it - then count your blessings.

Here I am, Bored

Masses with guitar licks.
Heretical insipid fare.
Let me listen to you.
Fill me with despair.

Here I am, bored.
Here I am.
Music that is a disservice, here I am.
Here I am, bored.
Here I am.
Music that is a disservice, here I am.

This song is everlasting.
Pop music of I tire.
A total tonal bleakness.
Couldn't you all just retire?

Here I am, bored.
Here I am.
Music that is a disservice, here I am.
Here I am, bored.
Here I am.
Music that is a disservice, here I am.

Lyrics that are just plain dumb.
Hear my cry for help.
Hear me using these three words,
Gregorian Chant Now!
Here I am, bored.
Here I am.
Music that is a disservice, here I am.
Here I am, bored.
Here I am.
Music that is a disservice, here I am.

3 posted on 08/29/2006 1:11:43 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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Get rid of "Kumbaya" forever!


4 posted on 08/29/2006 1:14:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: NYer; Cletus.D.Yokel; TonyRo76; redgolum
For classic Lutheran theology, hymns are a theological "source:" not up there with Scripture, of course, but ranking not-so-far below Luther's "Small Catechism." Hymns, in this tradition, are not liturgical filler. Hymns are distinct forms of confessing the Church's faith. Old school Lutherans take their hymns very seriously.

This is most certainly true.

5 posted on 08/29/2006 1:27:20 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Old school Lutheran)
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Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas ping.
6 posted on 08/29/2006 1:31:46 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

I just keep my mouth shut during those "We are Jesus" songs. I know my husband is tired of me elbowing him every time our choir sings a song I don't like. :o)


8 posted on 08/29/2006 1:35:07 PM PDT by samiam1972 (Live simply so that others may simply live!)
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I love it every time I have a chance to post this! "The Hidden Hand Behind Bad Catholic Music" has been posted here before, but it never hurts to refresh people's minds...
11 posted on 08/29/2006 1:39:36 PM PDT by redhead (Wasilla, AK: Proud to be Valley Trash)
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Next to go should be those "We are Jesus" hymns in which the congregation (for the first time in two millennia of Christian hymnology) pretends that it's Christ. "Love one another as I have loved you/Care for each other, I have cared for you/Bear each other's burdens, bind each other's wounds/and so you will know my return." Who's praying to whom here? And is the Lord's "return" to be confined to our doing of his will? St. John didn't think so. "Be Not Afraid" and "You Are Mine" fit this category, as does the ubiquitous "I Am the Bread of Life...

I once held the opinion that for a congregation to sing in the divine "I" wasn't kosher, until I stumbled upon hymns in the Byzantine tradition that used that device. Then I began not to care that much about that "defect."

I love "I am the Bread of Life." To sing it is to sing Scripture. Just as a reader doesn't become Christ when s/he proclaims Scripture in the divine "first person," a cantor or a congregation is not at fault when they do the same. If the hymn proclaims Scripture in a sense that agrees with Tradition, I no longer care if it is in "the first person."

The rest of the article is right on the mark.

12 posted on 08/29/2006 1:42:24 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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Good article.


22 posted on 08/29/2006 2:07:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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One of the reasons that "Amazing Grace" will not be sung at anything Catholic that I have anything to do with.

Read the words -- they support that we are saved by grace ALONE. Not ture with Catholic teaching.


23 posted on 08/29/2006 2:09:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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"For one hundred forty years, the fourth movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony sent shivers down audiences' spines; does anyone sense its power when it's morphed into the vastly over-used 'Joyful, Joyful We Adore You,' complete with 'chanting bird and flowing fountain'? A fifty-year ban is in order here."

Why only 50 years? I might still be alive.


45 posted on 08/29/2006 2:54:16 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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I've always thought that the subtitle to Thomas Day's book of 10-15 years ago, "Why Catholic's Can't Sing", was a very astute statement of the problem. It reads:

"The Culture of Catholicism and the Triumph of Bad Taste"

Emphasis obviously mine. I think that for a lot of youngin's growing up at the time, this triumph occurred because none were any the wiser.

We was young.

We was ignorant and stupid.

Where the h&ll were the elders to straighten us out about the issue of what was in good/bad/poor/indifferent, and most of all, sacred taste?

59 posted on 08/29/2006 3:05:26 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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If a Proddie may butt in here, I just heard that a lot of the Churches are taking all references to "blood" out of the hymnals so as not to offend anyone. That just disgusts me.
76 posted on 08/29/2006 3:25:56 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftists, the enemy within.)
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To: NYer

While I agree in general, even in our condemnations of the terrible we should be just.

I think "I am the bread of Life" is almost entirely a cento of verses from the Bread of Life discourse. I think singing Scripure isn't a priori bad. We're no more pretending to be our Lord than St. John was when he wrote the passage. In principle it should be okay.

BUt why we have to sing tripe mystifies me. It's like the defense given to Judge Carswell - that the mediocre should be represnted like everybody else. Nope. Hymns should be the best we have, for many reasons, not the least of which is that hymns may be the one opportunity a lot of people have to listen to and to sing good music. (Same goes for translations of Scripture.)


80 posted on 08/29/2006 4:05:31 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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I propose the Index Canticorum Prohibitorum, the "Index of Forbidden Hymns."

"Ouuuhhhh. I like."

We all have our lists. "You ask me how I know He lives? He lives within my heart."

The first hymns to go should be hymns that teach heresy.

You don't have that problem when you sing the Psalms.

81 posted on 08/29/2006 4:05:49 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: NYer

For Sundays, I'll take "Holy God We Praise Thy Name" every week. Can't sing it enough.

For my funeral, I want the 1932 version of this. I haven't heard it since I was a boy with the priest in black vestments. Oh wow!

http://www.franciscan-archive.org/de_celano/opera/diesirae.html


87 posted on 08/29/2006 4:21:51 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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You can put "Anthem" at the top of that list...

...a Mormon theology lesson in song (if you ask me).


89 posted on 08/29/2006 4:28:02 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: NYer

I dislike the 7/11 songs... you know, seven words sung eleven times.


103 posted on 08/29/2006 5:13:02 PM PDT by irishtenor (We survived Clinton in the 80s... we can survive her even when her husband is gone.)
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I attend an excellent protestant church with a passion for evangelism, worship, and discipleship.

Unfortunately, our hymns remind me of people playing with disposable plastic trinkets while ignoring the real and weighty treasure accumulated over the last few millenia.


152 posted on 08/30/2006 8:45:47 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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George Weigel

Well, he did a great job with the book and documentary on JPII.
("Witness to Hope", IIRC).

I'll have to be back for a read later (even if I'm not Catholic)
155 posted on 08/30/2006 9:20:48 AM PDT by VOA
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