DISPENSATIONALIST "CHRISTIAN" ZIONISM -- Is there now "neither Jew nor Gentile", or not?

KennethGentry.Com, "Dispensational Distortions" ^ | 2004 | Kenneth Gentry (and OP)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

A Young Fool encounters Foolishness

Once upon a time, I was but a wee child in Reformed Theology, taking my first baby-steps into the beautiful Cathedral of Calvinism as a young Debater for Jerry Falwell's world-beating Liberty Debate Team (Our Creed: "Defeat Harvard. Defeat Navy. Defeat American Catholic. Defeat everyone. Crush them all, every time, no exceptions. Win every single National Championship, every year.... because as long as we Calvinists keep winning, Jerry won't excommunicate us for being Calvinists!!".)

[Dr. Jerry Falwell personally thinks that Calvinism is Heresy. He also doesn't care, as long as we Win.]

Since a Debater is always expected to be able to immediately argue either side of any given question, I spent a lot of time in the local used book-store picking up various books on philosophy and theology and politics and economics... anything I could get my dirt-poor hands on for $2 or $3 dollars a copy. Anything to familiarize myself with multiple intellectual perspectives and multiple modes of argumentation.

Now, in the course of my researches, I happened across a little book entitled War Cycles, Peace Cycles by Richard Kelly Hoskins of Lynchburg, Virginia, regarding the short and long-term economic effects of Monetary Expansions and Contractions in the context of fractional-reserve lending. Hoskins was by no means an uneducated fellow (a capable Financial Advisor and Econometricist, some of his works are still occasionally cited today), but I was singularly disturbed by several passages in which he seemed to suggest a Racial component to Fractional-Reserve Lending (which he called "the Babylon System") versus his contrary suggestions for Joint-Venture Lending.

One passage which stood out in my mind read as follows:

Take Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up the word "Man". Then, turn to the Hebrew section in the back of the concordance to locate the word for "man" which is "Adam". You will find that the word "adam" (Man) is used hundreds of times throughout the Bible. Under "man" locate the verse "In the beginning God created man", or "adam", as an example. The word "adam" is not just another name like John or Bob. "Adam" is the Hebrew word meaning "to turn rosy", or "to blush red" (Strong's number 119). A better translation of the above verse "In the beginning God created man" would be - "In the beginning God created 'he who blushes red'... (The White Race)" ~~ Hoskins, "War Cycles, Peace Cycles", page 20-21 (bolded explanation mine)

The further I read, the more it was apparent to me that Hoskins regarded "Israel" as The White Race, the Adamic Race descended through Abraham, and that all Non-Whites were considered to him to be zuwr "strangers": Pagans at worst, "Samaritan" Christians at best... but never "Israel".

And so, being the young fool that I was, I did what any young fool would do... I looked Dick Hoskins up in the Lynchburg, Virginia phone book, and called him at his house.

I asked him what he would make of my spiritual position -- a Confessing Christian by Faith, mostly Prussian German by Ethnicity, but with a little 1/16 smidgen of Sioux Nation mixed in 3 or 4 generations back on my mother's side.

Hoskins informed me, quite cordially and without any rancor whatsoever, that God considered me to be a mixed-breed Bastard and that "A Bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deuteronomy 23:2) He advised me to marry "one of my own kind".

(I guess I have now violated the Law of God, a German-Sioux mixed-breed Bastard like me marrying a Pure Scottish White Woman.)

Well, I decided at that point (even before I knew him to be the godfather of the "Phinehas Priesthood", the most violent expression of the Christian Identity movement) that even if he was a good money-runner, Dick Hoskins' theology was a barrel full of wet, smelly, foolish Scheißdreck, with which I would have no truck whatsoever. The Christian Creed is this: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28, KJV).

Unfortunately, however, "Christian Identity" (derived not from pagan Nazism but rather from its bastard godfather, British Israelism) is not the only theology which Racially divides the Body of Christ into Jew and Gentile, "Israel" and "Not-Israel", Blood and Blood-lines.

Dispensational Zionist Foolishness

The future dispensational kingdom involves a racial prejudice favoring the Jews above even saved Gentiles during the millennium. As such it re-introduces the distinction between Jew and Gentile and replaces Faith with Race as a basis for divine favor. Consider the following citations from leading dispensationalists: (DISPENSATIONAL DISTORTIONS PART TWO, Redemptive History Distortions ~~ Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Th.D.)

• Ryrie: "Three groups of people will be related to the millennial government. Israel, regathered and turned to the Lord in salvation, will be exalted, blessed, and favored throughout the period."
• Pentecost: "The Gentiles will be Israel's servants during that age. . . . The Gentiles that are in the millennium will have experienced conversion prior to admission."
• Walvoord speaks of "Israel's restoration and exaltation in the millennial kingdom."
• Herman Hoyt (past president of Grace Theological Seminary) puts it quite starkly: "The redeemed living nation of Israel, regenerated and regathered to the land, will be head over all the nations of earth. . . . So he exalts them above the Gentile nations . . . . On the lowest level there are the saved, living, Gentile nations."
• Popular prophecy writer Dave Hunt comments: "The Messiah ruling the world from the throne of David and with national Israel restored to its place of supremacy over the nations."

However, with the establishment of the New Testament phase of the Church, the distinction between Jew and Gentile has been abolished. This was the whole point of Peter's vision of the sheet filled with unclean animals in Acts 10: "What God has called clean, let no man call unclean." Thus, there is no separate Jewish program exalting them over saved Gentiles. THE CHURCH, which includes Jew and Gentile in one body, is the fruition and culmination of God's promises to the Jews. In evidence of this, we should note that Christians are called by distinctively Jewish names in the New Testament. "He is a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29). Christians are called "the circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "the children" and "the seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), the "Jerusalem which is above" and the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29). In fact, Christians compose "the Israel of God" for we are a "new creature" regarding which "circumcision availeth nothing" (Gal. 6:16).

Comparing Foolishness with Foolishness

In closing, I ask only (according to the Hebrew logical-interpretive method of "how much the more?")... if the heretical British-Israel/Christian-Identity Racialists pervert True Christianity by dividing the People of God along Racial lines, then how much the more do Dispensationalists also pervert the Word of God and divide the People of God along equally Racialist lines?

Consider the following:

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• Three groups of people will be related to the millennial government. The White Race, regathered and turned to the Lord in salvation, will be exalted, blessed, and favored throughout the period.
  
• The Non-Whites will be The White Race's servants during that age. . . . The Non-Whites that are in the millennium will have experienced conversion prior to admission.
  
• The White Race's restoration and exaltation in the millennial kingdom...
  
• The redeemed living nation of The White Race, regenerated and regathered to the land, will be head over all the nations of earth. . . . So he exalts them above the Non-White nations . . . . On the lowest level there are the saved, living, Non-White nations.
  
• The Messiah ruling the world from the throne of David and with The White Race restored to its place of supremacy over the nations.
  
• God will keep his original promises to the fathers and will one day convert and place The White Race as the head of the nations.

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Those aren't Quotations from Richard Kelly Hoskins... granted, they may sound like Christian Identity quotations, but they aren't.

These are nothing less than direct quotations from the leading lights of Dispensationalism in America -- Ryrie, Pentecost, Walvoord, Hoyt, Hunt, Thomas Ice. (I could've quoted Hagee, I suppose, but the man is absolutely freakin' nutbar).

All that I did was to replace "Israel" with "The White Race", and replace "Gentiles" with "Non-Whites".
Does Dispensationalist "theology" destroy the Racial equality of the Body of Christ? What you see is what you get.

God Damn all Racial Theology.

[topcat54]

Ditto.

[1000 silverlings]

Not complaining, just marvelling how so many can revere(worship) a beast (a nation)while Christians are slaughtered in the streets all the day long, ears to hear indeed.

[P-Marlowe]

Not complaining, just marvelling how so many can revere(worship) a beast (a nation)while Christians are slaughtered in the streets all the day long, ears to hear indeed.

Who is "slaughtering" the Christians? If you are referring to Israel, then you are lying. If you are referring to Islam, then the evangelicals are at the forefront in condemning the beast that is Islam.

Our support for Israel is not slaughtering Christians. I suspect that most Christians in Lebanon have fled the south and further Israel is not targeting Christians, but if Hezbollah takes over Lebanon, Christians will either have to leave Lebanon or die trying.

Your suggestion that evangelicals don't care about the plight of their fellow Christians is not worthy of comment. I'm sorry I responded. BTW where is the non-Evangelical Church on this issue? Most Presbyterian denominations and Anglican and other non-evangelical denominations seem to be on the side of Hezbollah. That should be comforting to the Christians in Lebanon.

[Revelation 911]

Have you ever had a really nice spare rib basted in a whiskey-based barbque sauce? (I'm serious.)

dudes - y'all need to try our churches bbq sauce

makes a killer smoked pork rib

I'll front the neeners a sample if theyre interested

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good....

[blue-duncan]

Where have you been Sir Robin? We have been slaying many infidel dragons while you were in search of the Holy Smokes. Hope you weren't sidetracked from your quest at Castle Anthrax like Sir Corin was.

[xzins]

I am awaiting the recipe for the BBQ sauce.

Like restaurants, hotels, books, etc., it will be rated on the 5 {!} system.

I'm trusting it will be a Neener {!}^{5 sauce.}

(Read 'em and weep, Mobil, and your scurvy 5 star system)

I added gamey on a neener ping because it's Saturday and Buggs is out of commission and can't have pork BBQ, anyway. And then I added Buggs so he would know what he's missing.

And there's no list.

[blue-duncan]

"I added gamey on a neener ping"

What's a neener ping? In order to have a ping you have to have a list and by definition neener's have no list. Maybe it's one of them oxymorons.

[xzins]

A neener ping is when you go by memory or luck. That is officially (and technically) NOT a list, which is a form of bookkeeping..

This has been affirmed by Major League Baseball Incorporated whose own Petey Rose used to keep book.

[ladyinred]

We are evil. You win.

[Revelation 911]

I am awaiting the recipe for the BBQ sauce.

alas my friend sir xzins - the recipe, though entirely palatable and concocted of only the finest ingredients, is a secret, held within the castle Arrrggghhh

To the Knights of the neeners I shall forward posthaste at no charge if given an address to thy private freep. However, non neeners and those not encompassed within thy list which neither exists or no man breath the name which, thereof, shall upon, after expressing a desire to experience this earthly near manna substance compense myself either in US dollars or paypal at this location

[Revelation 911]

Where have you been Sir Robin?

pursuing thy maiden with huge tracts of land

worry not BC - I have seen much of the neeners daily posts, yet have refrained from adding as thy manna like sauce delivered from the God "I am" and the associated festivals & bbq's have consumed much of my time

[Gamecock]

The mark of good BBQ pork, in my neck of the woods anyway, is the mere presence of religious tracts on the wall when you walk in.

BTW, for my retirement job I plan on being a SC BBQ judge. It doesn't pay much, but I won't go hungry

[Revelation 911]

BTW, for my retirement job I plan on being a SC BBQ judge. It doesn't pay much, but I won't go hungry

would you care for the honorary neener title of keeper of the BBQ moppin brush (KOBBQMB) ?

[xzins]

I believe that Gamey, an honorary neener yesterday, could fill such a role without having to go through the other ritual of entry in the (no list) neeners. Since there would be a single function, Keeper of the BBQ Moppin Brush, there would be no confusion as to his opinions on double-predestinarian, quarter-pelagian, midlapsarian, premillennial calvinism in the tradition of Jacobus Arminus.

All he'd really need to know is "Did I mop that spot on that pork rib with sufficient BBQ sauce?"

I both move and 2nd the elevation of this question to the High Neener Council.

{!}

[Gamecock]

Sorry, not interested.

In the GRPL I get to keep the matches.

[xzins]

The impetuousness of youth.

Perhaps we'd even allow firecrackers with matches for FREE.

[scrabblehack]

I think what was meant here is that Spurgeon may lose a theological argument in the English version of the New Testament but not in the original Greek version.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

So is it Restoration or Pentecost -- you have said both.

I'm not seeing any problem with my interpretation there.

After the Babylonian and Assyrian Captivity, the bulk of the Old Testament Church (which was primarily Jewish, at the time -- but even in the Old Testament, there were non-Jewish members of The Church Universal) was returned to the Land of Israel, in preparation for the coming of the Messiah (the Second Adam, the Second Joseph, the Second David) Jesus Christ.

Thereafter, as a result of the Incarnation, Crucifixion, and Resurrection, "God's Israel" (comprising the believing Jews and Gentiles of The Church) do "seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days" as Hosea prophecied.

So let me sum it up: I am a racist, holding theology damned by God, and I do not care about the New Testament?

I didn't say that. I haven't accused anyone of being a "Racist" or a "Nazi" or anything like that. IMHO, I think that a lot of people hold to various theologies without really thinking through the implications thereof.

What I am saying is: IF we took the statements made by Dispensationalists, and substituted ANY OTHER Ethnic Group within the context of their statements (the White Race, the Black Race, any Ethnic Group), every fair-minded and Biblically-minded Christian would IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZE such a Racially-Divisive Theology as a violation of Galatians 3:28 and would cry "FOUL"!... and with perfectly-good reason. In his Epistle to the Galatians, Saint Paul BIBLICALLY OUTLAWS all such Racial Theology.

If we don't give a "pass" to Christian Identity on Galatians 3:28, then likewise we cannot give a "pass" to Dispensationalism. God, through Saint Paul, OUTLAWS all such Racial Theologies.

Why not just show how your view actually explains the prophecy rather than lobbing invectives at me an my views?

That's what I am trying to do.

Best, OP

[vimto]

that sounds reasonable. Must have had my 'concrete thinking' hat on that day.

[rabid liberty]

After the Babylonian and Assyrian Captivity, the bulk of the Old Testament Church (which was primarily Jewish, at the time -- but even in the Old Testament, there were non-Jewish members of The Church Universal) was returned to the Land of Israel, in preparation for the coming of the Messiah (the Second Adam, the Second Joseph, the Second David) Jesus Christ.

Thereafter, as a result of the Incarnation, Crucifixion, and Resurrection, "God's Israel" (comprising the believing Jews and Gentiles of The Church) do "seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days" as Hosea prophecied.

OP: The return you identify with the restoration of the Babylonian and Assyrian captivity occurs in the "later days" according to Hosea. You have inserted a parenthesis yourself in order to try to handle the text.

 

Your parenthesis...

 

For the children of Israel (Church) shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim:

Afterward shall the children of Israel (Church) return, {{Several centuries elapse until the Birth Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus}} and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

My parenthesis...

 

For the children of Israel (Abraham's descendants) shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim: {{WE ARE RIGHT HERE TODAY}}

Afterward shall the children of Israel (Abraham's descendants) return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

If there is not a parenthesis in your interpretation then the Return under Nehemiah = the later days.

And I commend you for dealing more intensively with the text. Refreshing.