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The purpose-driven pastor (Rick Warren calls Christian fundamentalists an enemy)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Jan. 08, 2006 | Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 01/10/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Terriergal

The purpose-driven pastor

By Paul Nussbaum

Inquirer Staff Writer

This week, it was the Rose Bowl players' breakfast. This month, it will be the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Then the President's prayer breakfast in Washington, followed by an entertainment industry conference in Los Angeles.

Rick Warren, the Southern Baptist preacher's son from tiny Redwood Valley, Calif., is much in demand these days.

The founding pastor of the Saddleback mega-church south of Los Angeles and the author of the best-selling The Purpose Driven Life, Warren is perhaps the most influential evangelical Christian in America.

With his book - the best-selling hardback nonfiction book in the nation - and Purpose-Driven Life videos and 40-day Bible study plans, Warren has created an unparalleled international network of millions of individuals and 400,000 churches, spanning faiths and denominations.

Now he wants to use his growing influence - and wealth - for an ambitious global attack on poverty, AIDS, illiteracy and disease.

"The New Testament says the church is the body of Christ, but for the last 100 years, the hands and feet have been amputated, and the church has just been a mouth. And mostly, it's been known for what it's against," Warren said during a break between services at his sprawling Orange County church campus.

"I'm so tired of Christians being known for what they're against."

Fresh from preaching to 38,000 congregants during Christmas week services, Warren was looking to the future by invoking the past.

"One of my goals is to take evangelicals back a century, to the 19th century," said Warren, 51, shifting painfully in his chair because of a back sprain suffered during an all-terrain-vehicle romp with his 20-year-old son, Matthew. "That was a time of muscular Christianity that cared about every aspect of life."

Not just personal salvation, but social action. Abolishing slavery. Ending child labor. Winning the right for women to vote.

It's time for modern evangelicals to trade words for deeds and get similarly involved, Warren contends.

At the end of his second sermon last Sunday, he reminded his largely affluent Orange County audience: "Life is not about having more and getting more. It's about serving God and serving others."

That, simply put, is his message. Give your life to God, help others, spread the word. It is the same message that Christians have been preaching for 2,000 years. Warren has updated the language, added catchphrases and five-step guides, but he readily admits "there is not a new idea in that book."

The Purpose Driven Life has sold more than 24 million English-language copies since 2002, with millions more in other languages. It has been popular with Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, with pastors and priests using it as a Bible-study handbook.

The book figured prominently in a hostage drama in Georgia last March. Ashley Smith, held by alleged Atlanta courthouse killer Brian Nichols, said he released her after she gave him methamphetamine and read to him from the book.

Warren "is able to cast the Christian story so people can hear it in fresh ways," said Donald E. Miller, director of the Center for Religion and Civic Culture at the University of Southern California. He is "a very important figure in evangelical Christianity," part of a "trend we'll see more of," Miller said, citing Warren's independence, social activism, informality and ability to reach across racial and national lines.

"The Gen X-ers are sick and tired of flash and hype and marketing," Miller said. "The soft sell of a Rick Warren is far more attractive to them than a highly stylized TV presentation of the Christian message."

Among evangelicals, Warren is more influential than better-known and more-divisive figures such as religious broadcasters Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell or radio psychologist James Dobson, and is often seen as the heir to the Rev. Billy Graham as "America's pastor."

Scott L. Thumma, a professor of the sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary and the author of a forthcoming book on mega-churches, said polls of church leaders often put Warren in first or second place among most-influential evangelical leaders.

"And one of the interesting things is that he crosses boundaries... . He's not just respected by the evangelical world but by many outside that world," Thumma said.

In North Philadelphia, the Rev. Herbert Lusk, the former Philadelphia Eagles running back who is pastor of the Greater Exodus Baptist Church and a prominent supporter of President Bush, brought Warren to town in November to raise money for aid to Africa. Lusk also tutored many of the Eagles' players and coaches in the Purpose-Driven Life program last year.

Lusk said Warren "took the principles that we preach about every Sunday and packaged them in a way that are palatable for Christians and non-Christians."

"The guy is a preacher's preacher... . He's the leading evangelical in the world, unquestionably," Lusk said.

Broadly defined, evangelicals are Christians who have had a personal or "born-again" religious conversion, believe the Bible is the word of God, and believe in spreading their faith. (The term comes from Greek; to "evangelize" means to preach the gospel.) The term is typically applied to Protestants.

Millions of Americans fit the definition, although estimates vary on exactly how many. Forty-two percent of Americans described themselves as evangelical Christians in a Gallup poll in April, while 22 percent said they met all three measures in a Gallup survey in May. The National Association of Evangelicals says about 25 percent of adult Americans are evangelicals.

Evangelicals are often equated with fundamentalists or the religious right, which annoys Warren. Although he's politically conservative - opposing abortion and gay marriage and supporting the death penalty - he pushes a much broader agenda and disdains both politics and fundamentalism.

Warren is a friend of President Bush and a repeat visitor to the White House. But he also met for several hours at Saddleback last month with Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, to discuss issues such as poverty and the environment.

"I'm worried that evangelicals be identified too much with one party or the other. When that happens, you lose your prophetic role of speaking truth to power," Warren said. "And you have to defend stupid things that leaders do."

"Politics is always downstream from culture. I place less confidence in it than a lot of folks. I don't think that's the answer... . Politics is not the right tool to change the culture."

With his goatee and penchant for Hawaiian shirts and colloquial language, Warren embodies a laid-back approach to worship that resonates with Americans who have little allegiance to formal denominations or rituals.

His 120-acre hilltop campus, with palm trees, waterfall and meandering brook, is a kind of religious theme park, where worshipers meet in different buildings to suit their musical preferences, while watching simultaneous video feeds of Warren preaching at the main worship center.

Warren's father and grandfather and great-grandfather were all preachers. He followed their path by starting Saddleback in 1980 with his wife, Kay, and a congregation of seven. His ministry prospered in booming Orange County, as Warren went door-to-door, asking residents what they'd like in a church. For 15 years, he and his growing flock were nomads, meeting in schools, homes and other buildings. Construction started on the current campus in 1995, and Warren now has 80,000 names on Saddleback's rolls. Saddleback is a a Southern Baptist church, but it doesn't advertise the fact.

As the money has rolled in from his book, Warren said he has given most of the millions to the church and the three social-service foundations he has established. He stopped taking his $110,000 annual salary and repaid the church for his 25 years of salary since its founding. He and his wife became "reverse tithers," he said, keeping 10 percent of their income and giving away the rest, including $13 million in 2004.

This month, he is leading a trip to Rwanda, to train pastors and distribute medicine and money to battle AIDS and other diseases. It's part of what he calls his global PEACE plan (Plant a church, Equip leaders, Assist the poor, Care for the sick, Educate the next generation).

Last month, he launched the first major evangelical effort to battle AIDS, convening a three-day conference at Saddleback to mobilize American Christians to help AIDS victims and raise money to fight the disease. Part of the battle for Warren is overcoming resistance from evangelicals who view AIDS as strictly a gay disease or even as divine retribution for immoral behavior.

Warren said he sees religious institutions as more powerful forces than governments for solving the world's problems.

"I would trust any imam or priest or rabbi to know what is going on in a community before I would any government agency."

But, powerful as churches can be in working for the powerless, they can't succeed without governments and nongovernmental organizations, Warren said.

Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be "one of the big enemies of the 21st century."

"Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism - they're all motivated by fear. Fear of each other."

ONLINE EXTRA

To read the rest of the series on the evangelical movement by Paul Nussbaum, visit http://go.philly.com/religion


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; evangelicals; heresy; purposedriven; rickwarren
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hmmmm.... I thought he was one of the 'good guys'?
1 posted on 01/10/2006 10:07:00 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal

bump for later.


2 posted on 01/10/2006 10:14:18 AM PST by jjm2111 (---This space intentionally left blank----)
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To: Terriergal; 4CJ

ping


3 posted on 01/10/2006 10:14:48 AM PST by IronManBike (Lodestar in the LoneStar)
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To: Terriergal

Another point of view:

http://www.discernment-ministries.org/AfricaDreamShattered.htm


4 posted on 01/10/2006 10:18:15 AM PST by Cecily
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To: Terriergal
At the end of his second sermon last Sunday, he reminded his largely affluent Orange County audience: "Life is not about having more and getting more. It's about serving God and serving others."

That, simply put, is his message. Give your life to God, help others, spread the word.

Serving others is worthy whatever the motive. I sure hope that Pastor Warren leads people to Christ in such a way so people do not get confused that they think they are earning their way to heaven.

5 posted on 01/10/2006 10:18:25 AM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: Terriergal
Bad article.

It takes the time to define what is meant by "Evangelical".
It takes the time to say that "Evangelist" is not the same as "Fundamentalist".
It quotes Warren as saying that "fundamentalism" is an enemy.

But it never defines what he means by fundamentalism.

6 posted on 01/10/2006 10:18:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Terriergal
a time of muscular Christianity that cared about every aspect of life

This is true, but I'm not convinced that just because he's built for himself an impressive empire, that this qualifies Warren as the guy who can or should lead 21st Century Christianity into a new "muscular" era.

Thanks for the ping.

7 posted on 01/10/2006 10:30:50 AM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Terriergal

Warren disses Christian "fundamentalism," but in doing so, he shows ignorance of the history and origin of fundamentalism. Frankly, there are weaknesses and oddities about contemporary "evangelicalism," which Warren identifies with, that should be addressed, and which dictate that one shouldn't throw stones at another group of believers.


9 posted on 01/10/2006 10:33:42 AM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: My2Cents

Christian fundamentalism is much maligned because it's so frequently misdefined and misinterpreted.


10 posted on 01/10/2006 10:37:37 AM PST by steelcurtain
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To: Terriergal; ClearCase_guy; My2Cents

We have all taken shots at fundies over many threads on this forum. Just because it's Warren does not make him a bad guy. CC_g on post#6 makes a good observation. Before we jump to conclusions because it's Warren see how he defines fundamentalism. Remember, this is the MSM (Philadelphia Inquirer) that's reporting this and they are no friend of ours, fundie or evangelical.


11 posted on 01/10/2006 10:41:55 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Terriergal

In context, he seems to be talking about fundamentalists as a term for extremists. That is, not someone who has a fundamentalist view of the scriptures, but someone who takes the scriptures as justification to commit violence. Also, in context, he is not isolating Christians, but making a broad statement about extremists of all stripes, including secular extremists.


12 posted on 01/10/2006 10:42:03 AM PST by carsonfire
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To: ClearCase_guy
Check out this lengthly interview with "Amercia's Pastor" - http://pewforum.org/events/index.php?EventID=80 About half way down, Warren is quoted saying "Now the word "fundamentalist" actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity, and when I say there are very few fundamentalists, I mean in the sense that they are all actually called fundamentalist churches, and those would be quite small. There are no large ones."

Now, from this site - http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/five_fundamentals_of_the_faith.htm are the 5 commonly adhered-to fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH



There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree:

1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9).

2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27).

3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14).

4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15).

5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1]

Are these "legalistic and narrow" or are they Biblical? Methinks "pastor" Warren has departed "the narrow way" in his efforts to attract many lost folks to his version of "church".
13 posted on 01/10/2006 10:43:26 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

The road is narrower than most Christians realize.


14 posted on 01/10/2006 10:45:51 AM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Interesting.

But I can't square this with the language Warren uses in the posted article. He lists off Muslim, Jewish and Christian fundamentalism, calls them all an enemy, and says they are motivated by fear.

You have listed Five Fundamentals of the Faith -- and I cannot imagine a Christian minister saying that those Five Fundamentals are motivated by fear, or that these Five beliefs make one an enemy of the Christian Faith.

I think we have apples and oranges here.

15 posted on 01/10/2006 10:48:40 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: steelcurtain

Precisely. And one who aspires to be "America's Pastor" should be more careful with his characterizations.


16 posted on 01/10/2006 10:49:40 AM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Good post! "Narrow" indeed. Every Christian church should be so "narrow."

Warren: "I mean in the sense that they are all actually called fundamentalist churches, and those would be quite small. There are no large ones."

I wonder if this is his main point of contention with the "fundamentalists," that certain churches haven't bought into Warren's vision of large mega-variety congregations with insipid music and feel-good preaching.

17 posted on 01/10/2006 10:54:44 AM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: wallcrawlr
Serving others is worthy whatever the motive.

Not always the case. If you're expecting some sort of kickback I would call that somewhat less than sincere.

No, I'm not an anti-capitalist.

18 posted on 01/10/2006 10:56:54 AM PST by shekkian
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To: shekkian

dont nitpick now :)


19 posted on 01/10/2006 11:06:05 AM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: Terriergal; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...

I have no doubt of the mans salvation, but he compromises the gospel to build his church.

It has been noted he even misquoted scripture to make a point.

I have little respect for his methods and compromises


20 posted on 01/10/2006 11:12:33 AM PST by RnMomof7 ("Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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