New Hampshire Bishop Implies Jesus Might Have Been Gay [Yup, it's Robinson]

VirtueOnline-News ^ | 3/11/2005 | David Virtue

[sionnsar]

WENHAM, MA (3/11/2005)--The homoerotic bishop of New Hampshire V. Gene Robinson told parishioners at Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham that while Jesus was on this earth he was only in the company of men, his disciples, and referenced that Jesus talked about the "one he loved," implying that Jesus may have been a homosexual himself.

Speaking at a Lenten service on "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?" Robinson pleaded for his hearers to accept his homosexuality and asked, "Who could know Jesus?" and therefore we should accept him [Robinson]. "Jesus was not terribly mainstream."

"The sooner we get away from labels like gay and straight and that dualism…the truth is there are as many sexualities, plural, as there are sexualities in the world. There are as many sexualities as there are human beings," he told his listeners. "Labels are not helpful."

Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me is mutual non-exploitative sex, love of self and love of neighbor. It is about hearts not body parts. We must have infinite respect for one another and radical respect for the world."

Asked by a parishioner how we teach people about sexuality with the Bible saying that marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman, furthermore what was the basis for adding on new sexualities, Robinson said, "it is a big question; it is whether or not sex is God's gift or a Pandora's Box? Is it a blessing or a curse?"

Physical intimacy outside of a trustworthy relationship is madness, dangerous and wrong, he said.

Robinson said the message conveyed to most people was that 'sex is dirty save it for someone you love'. "I believe in abstinence before marriage or outside in a committed relationship. Our nakedness is a metaphor for how vulnerable we are. The church's teaching of sex outside of marriage is that you will be hurt unless there is a vulnerability or proven trustworthiness over time. We must respect the dignity of every human being. Marriage is a sacrament, a place where God can show up."

Questioned on how we distinguish between the church and world's view of sexuality and the enormous destruction it caused flowing from the 60s experimentation of our children with anything goes…as long as we love each other, Robinson explained that not anything goes. "We need to demonstrate real love. The world knows that the church practices serial monogamy. We need to walk the talk. What are not right are brief encounters. I don’t hear anybody preaching for promiscuity."

"My daughter wound up living with someone before marrying him. What I tried to do was keep an open conversation going with her and I had the opportunity to talk with her. I did not approve of anything goes, but nothing she did could separate my love for her. I don’t think setting down rules is helpful. I gave her an 'I' statement about what has been hurtful for me."

When asked how one could tell the difference between the ministry of the Holy Spirit and the authority of Holy Scripture or Malcolm's repressed desires, even leaving aside the seven Scriptures that speak against homosexuality or pleading subjectivism, Robinson said the key was community.

"No one of us can hear the voice of the Holy Spirit; it must be tested by the community. No one should be absolutely convinced that they know the will of God. We do the best we can to discern God's voice. Let's see if it bears fruit. Right now we are hearing different things. I believe [Archbishop] Akinola and I will be in heaven together. We may be apart here [on earth]. He is following the journey as far as he knows how and as I know how. We are going to be in heaven together, God won't have it any other way. We need some patience while we figure this out. We are each being as faithful as we can muster."

Pushed about how we knew whether we were being lead by the Holy Spirit or our own egos, Robinson said the key was "community."

Questioned about why the worldwide Anglican Communion based its teaching on Scripture, and can we set aside the teachings of the church as it has been handed down for new untested knowledge, Robinson said sexual orientation was determined by age 3 certainly well before it is a chosen orientation. It is a given; the lives of gays and lesbians are the new evidence for that. Look at the pain they have suffered at the hands of the church. He said gays and lesbians were jumping off buildings because nobody understood them.

When asked what new knowledge he possessed and what was his source of his authority that a homosexual relationship can be blessed and have we reached a parting of the ways, Robinson replied by asking how many of his listeners had been divorced and remarried. "The seven biblical texts do not apply to the contemporary issue today. We must separate civil rights from religious rites. Marriage is a civil right, and there is marriage as a religious rite.

[SweetCaroline]

Homosexual activists and their supporters worked quietly over the years, infiltrating the hierarchy of church and paving the way for Robinson's appointment....no doubt about it!

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping PLUS Moral Absolutes Ping.

Another dual-use article. Actually any homosexual issue is also a moral absolutes issue, but we do have two ping lists...

Very intesesting to read the dribbles from Robinson's - ahem, mind.

Note this gem:

"No one of us can hear the voice of the Holy Spirit; it must be tested by the community. No one should be absolutely convinced that they know the will of God. "

What a fool, what an apostate, what a blasphemer, what a blind misleading hypocrite. If he thinks no one can know God or His will, what the hell is he doing wearing priestly robes and lecturing people? Anyone who listens to this evil man is going to hell in his wake. He says no one can hear, yet he must think he can, otherwise why would he preach? He should shut up and contemplate his own sins.

Let DirtyHarryY2K and me know if you want on/off the Homosexual Agenda Pinglist, and let ME know if you want (back)on/off the Moral Absolutes Pinglist.

Reminds of the foolish bogey-yogi statement: "He who speaks does not know, he who knows does not speak."

Well, well - and someone SAID this, right?

The simple truth is: God makes His will known through scripture - and every religion in the world agrees on the basic moral absolutes. And any human who wants to know God's will out of a sincere desire to mold him or herself to that Supreme Will, will be able to do so. It's simple - rather too simple and honest for the devious, for those who want to pretend to be holy and simultaneous commit forbidden acts, and what is the worst and most unforgiveable of all, mislead others.

[SAMS]

It is getting so hard to keep up!! I thought Jesus was supposed to have been married to Mary Magdeline!! But, now it turns out He might have been gay...does Dan Brown know this & will he write another book?? Enquiring minds want to know.

[gidget7]

Truly sad when a Bishop finds himself condemned to hell. Talk about blasphemy!!

[gidget7]

"Robinson said sexual orientation was determined by age 3 certainly well before it is a chosen orientation. "




Not "born that way"????

[NYer]

Vicki Gene Robinson, as we all suspected, is a 'bishop' with a clear agenda and it does not include authentic scriptural teachings. How much more will the ECUSA tolerate from this homosexual?

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[B-Chan]

Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me...

What matters to Vicky Gene Robinson is irrelevant. God's opinion on the matter is the only one we need be concerned with, and His opinion has been made abundantly clear.

Thanks for posting this.

[eastsider]

Jesus talked about the "one he loved,"

I thought it was the author of the fourth gospel, not Jesus, who referred to himself as the one Jesus loved. In any event, the Greek specifies agape love, not erotic love.

[Bahbah]

Gene Robinson, as we all suspected, is a 'bishop' with a clear agenda and it does not include authentic scriptural teachings.

This bears repeating, so I am.

[EdReform]

BTTT

[Northern Yankee]

Wait, I just learned that Jesus was secretly married to Mary Magdeline, and now he's a homosexual.

these people need to just PICK ONE!!!

Too true!

Amazing isn't it? Gee... I wonder what's next? He wasn't the son of God after all?

The Bishop doesn't serve God, but rather himself.

[Cronos]

 "The sooner we get away from labels like gay good and straight evil and that dualism…the truth is there are as many sexualities moralities, plural, as there are sexualities morals in the world. There are as many sexualities morals as there are human beings," he told his listeners. "Labels are not helpful."

[Cronos]

ysical intimacy outside of a trustworthy relationship is madness, dangerous and wrong, he said.

THis from the guy that abandoned his wife????

[Cronos]

serial monogamy.

huh??? wassat? Does that mean I sleep with someone for 2 weeks -- exclusively -- and then move on to someone else and that's ok, just because I'm monogamous during that period?? daft.

[Cronos]

The seven biblical texts do not apply to the contemporary issue today

Woo-hoo, so no need to follow any of those 10 commandments, eh? /sarcasm

[Cronos]

Hey!! I wish more of us read up on those ancient heresies -- as you pointed out correctly, they keep popping up now-a-days. Many of the Protestant world's teachings right from CAlvin's predestination etc. all stem from 1st/2nd/3rd century heresies.

On another note, most of those heresies ascribed to Origen are really people's interpretations from his diaries, where he was debating with different ideas. There's no proof that he subscribed to those ideas himself.

[Cronos]

Good on you conservative Anglicans.

[Cronos]

The traditional Anglicans must leave the ECUSA and the Anglican global union or be stained by these people. I wish you would team up with the Southern primates.

[Kolokotronis]

"On another note, most of those heresies ascribed to Origen are really people's interpretations from his diaries, where he was debating with different ideas. There's no proof that he subscribed to those ideas himself."

You know, I've always felt that Origen got a bum rap. He was writing so vey early on, when may of the major questions about what had been revealed were still being discussed and far from understood. My own impression of much of what he wrote is that he was sort of ruminating about things, not teaching a particular dogma.

[DaveTesla]

My God that says it all doesn't it?

Romans 1:19-32
19 For what can be known about God is plain to them,
because God has shown it to them.
20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power
and divine nature,invisible though they are, have been
understood and seen through the things he has made. So
they are without excuse;

21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God
or give thanks to him,
but they became futile in their thinking,
and their senseless minds were darkened.

22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools;
23 and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for
images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-
footed animals or reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts
to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves,
25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie
and worshiped and served the creature rather than the
Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions.
Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural
intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one
another. Men committed shameless acts with men and
received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God
gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should
not be done.
29 They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil,
covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit, craftiness, they are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful,
inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents,
31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 They know God's decree, that those who practice such
things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even
applaud others who practice them.