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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
What about the pre-NT Jews? They fall into "no man comes unto the Father but through Me", but not into the "faith in Jesus Christ" camp. So, no, that verse (in itself) does not exclude the much debated pygmies in africa... IF any of them come to the Father (perhaps by the result of the "law that is written on their hearts"), this verse says it would STILL be because of Jesus.
And since you've recommended 1 John may I suggest the following verse:
1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us."
What is it that makes you think you are one of the "elect"? How do you know you aren't one who is "not really of us"?
SD
1 Corinthians 7:
1: Now concerning the matters about which you wrote. It is well for a man not to touch a woman.
8: To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.
29: I mean, brethren, the appointed time has grown very short; from now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none,
Does "should" now imply a commandment to you? Or was there perhaps more to that verse?
If you want to play games with the truth go on without me.
Please explain how you think people can get to Heaven without Christ and simultaneously believe Christ when He said He's the Way?
Is your position similar (Gasp!) to the Catholic one?
SD
Baloney. That's circular reasoning to fulfill a narrow interpretation of scripture. David knew a messiah was coming, he didn't know His name or that he had to place his faith in a personal relationship with Jesus.
Are you saying a pygmie who has never heard of or encountered Jesus can still be saved?
That isn't exactly what I'm saying (I don't know one way or the other). I'm saying that, hypothetically, if he WAS saved... it would still be "through Jesus". Thus the verse "no man comes to the Father" does not imply that a particular formula for accepting Christ is the only way. YOU appear to have set the bar rather low with all of the other people who "believed in Jesus" though they would have been shocked to hear that they did.
"I AM"
Do you consider the book of John inspired?
Are you quoting Jesus? Let's stay on subject.
Its called long term witnessing, I've been here for 3 years doing it, where have you been? I have feelings for these folks and don't plan on changing.
BTW you hypocrite what about all the people I've seen you say are your friends such as restey?
BigMack
His "attitude" toward sex? The verses you cite are more about his "attitude" about being prepared for the end. It's no different then Christ saying to "hate" your family. It's an admonition against anything that comes between you and Christ using those things which we often take as most important to us (family).
Just because I don't believe His claims to be Messiah doesn't mean he was lying about it. He sincerely may have believed it. Observant Jews don't make mistakes?
About being God? Ummmmm.... not very often.
LOL fair enough. You may just call me Alex if you wish. Actually, you can call me any number of things, but if it's going to see print, just make it "Alex".
See my post to mom. I would have cced you too but I hadn't got to your posts yet.
I did, but only after I posted mine. Had I seen yours first, I probably would have posted something slightly different. As SD and I have discussed, you are more concerned about "who's the rat?", rather than "is there anything here that concerns the mods?", correct?
Do yall ever read what you post?
Never. Myself, I just put on a blindfold at 5am and flail away on the keyboard all day. Works out pretty well, too. Me and this other monkey have worked out a script for Shakespeare that we're optioning to Hollywood as we speak.
But seriously, Mz. Dawg, you yourself just wrote "I would have cced you too but I hadn't got to your posts yet". Are you holding me to a different standard than you hold yourself to?
No wonder you get banned so much. Attack, attack , attack, and then attack again.
You know what I've discovered from posting on FR? It's only considered an "attack" when the other side doesn't have a sound defense. Now, I've come to the conclusion that the NES is little more than the world's longest private game of poker between y'all (trying to see which side will lose and convert first). But you need to come to the conclusion that if you all really want a private poker game, you need to get yourselves a private room. One that's safe from the mods, anyway.
Feel free to ping me any time.
If you want to play games with the truth go on without me.
BigMack
I can believe every word Jesus says and still believe it isn't necessary to believe He is God.
He never said that. Not once.
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