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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi

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To: malakhi; Invincibly Ignorant; al_c; SoothingDave; the808bass
Well, my bracket has imploded.

Yes, I know what you mean. Oh well, the thought of rowing to Hawaii in a canoe was that appealing anyway:-)

We still have Al, Bass and my oldest son in the hunt. Dave, start dusting off the trophy, we're gonna have a new champ.

1,161 posted on 03/22/2004 5:11:53 AM PST by pegleg
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To: pegleg
I don't know how many points I'll lose over the next few games though. With Kentucky being out, that bracket's all messed up for me. My East Rutherford bracket still looks good. Phoenix bracket is ugly with the exception of UConn. Atlanta bracket will be okay once Duke and Texas advance.

But then, most of y'alls brackets are pretty ugly too. ;o)

1,162 posted on 03/22/2004 6:19:01 AM PST by al_c
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To: the808bass; malakhi; pegleg; Invincibly Ignorant
I would imagine anyone who feels good about their bracket at this point

a) Is in denial.
b) Knows nothing about basketball
c) Is psychic

Kentucky took out a bunch of us. But I've still got half of the teams in the sweet 16 and potentially 3/4 of the teams in the final 4. Most of the upsets hurt everyone pretty much equally.

The Pitt/Wisconsin game was entertaining. Like every Pitt game I've watched, a play or two at the end makes all the difference. These guys were 6 minutes into the game and had scored a combined 7 points.

Makes you wonder what game UAB was playing the other night to have each team go over 100. Could it possibly be the same sport?

SD

1,163 posted on 03/22/2004 6:25:13 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
The "Heretic Killer" is back, calling for unity of Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, and (maybe) Jews. Heretics are traitors and should be killed.

Suffice it to say that we were told not to go "thread jumping."

And if you're going to do it anyway, at least be honest. This is what was said:

Traitors and heretics do deserve death.

However, so does everybody else.

That's quite different. Try being honest, for once.

SD

1,164 posted on 03/22/2004 6:32:04 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
In plain view, 'ghosts' are voting in the Pa. House

What, this isn't standard practice where you live? As I've noted before, we pay legislators a salary and a "pre diem" when they show up to work. America's only native criminal class, said Twain.

SD

1,165 posted on 03/22/2004 6:34:10 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: ET(end tyranny)
So how come those posts were allowed to remain, I wonder??

Um, because they're perfectly rational when understood in context. Are you familiar at all with the present war on terror?

SD

1,166 posted on 03/22/2004 6:36:30 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: the808bass
Vanderbilt got handed the game by some stupid plays by NC State and a horrible intentional foul call that turned into a 5 point play.

As a State alum, that was painful to watch. It doesn't help that an equally bad call hurt us in the ACC tournament, a 4 point technical because one of our assistants was still wiping a wet spot on the court after a timeout when the ref handed the ball to Maryland to inbound. Maryland went on a 10-0 run after that and we lost by 3.

However, in both cases, we did some pretty stupid things too. Yesterday, those two straight fouls on 3 point shots in the final 2 minutes were inexcusable. Those were two bad calls, but then again, we did enough shooting our own foot.

All in all, a good year though. Definitely our best since Jim Valvano left.

1,167 posted on 03/22/2004 7:52:05 AM PST by Zack Attack
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To: DouglasKC
Does this not also indicate a pre-existence of the the Word, Christ?

I don't read it that way. I see it emphasizing Yahoshua's pre-eminence and headship of the church/assembly through his anointing and being the first to overcome death.

1,168 posted on 03/22/2004 8:12:11 AM PST by Zack Attack
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To: Zack Attack
John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth
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18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

JM
1,169 posted on 03/22/2004 8:48:18 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: All
Hey guys
1,170 posted on 03/22/2004 10:01:00 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
Hi there, yourself. What's up?

SD

1,171 posted on 03/22/2004 10:06:11 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Suffice it to say that we were told not to go "thread jumping." And if you're going to do it anyway, at least be honest. This is what was said:

Traitors and heretics do deserve death.

However, so does everybody else.


That's quite different. Try being honest, for once.


Good idea Dave. If it had ended with the "standard disclaimer" I would have no case. Apparently you missed the penultimate paragraph.

That being said, I repeat: traitors deserve death, and in a society based upon Christianity, heretics may be rightly counted as traitors, as they seek the overthrow of the existing social order. The death penalty itself is an entirely Scriptural and moral practice in such cases, presuming of course that due process is observed.

Is it that you missed that or is it that you are being disingenuous again?

1,172 posted on 03/22/2004 10:10:36 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
That being said, I repeat: traitors deserve death, and in a society based upon Christianity, heretics may be rightly counted as traitors, as they seek the overthrow of the existing social order. The death penalty itself is an entirely Scriptural and moral practice in such cases, presuming of course that due process is observed.

Is there some part of the above that you find to be untrue?

SD

1,173 posted on 03/22/2004 10:13:38 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Eating lunch. Just got back late last night. Went roller skating with JJ Sat and church with them Sunday. A compact weekend:')
1,174 posted on 03/22/2004 10:14:27 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave; ET(end tyranny); malakhi
Um, because they're perfectly rational when understood in context. Are you familiar at all with the present war on terror?

And the context is "In a Christian (Catholic) Monarchy it is good policy to kill heretics."
1,175 posted on 03/22/2004 10:14:32 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Please see #1173

SD

1,176 posted on 03/22/2004 10:22:04 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; All
That being said, I repeat: traitors deserve death, and in a society based upon Christianity, heretics may be rightly counted as traitors, as they seek the overthrow of the existing social order. The death penalty itself is an entirely Scriptural and moral practice in such cases, presuming of course that due process is observed.

Is there some part of the above that you find to be untrue?


I find it curious you ask what part of the above is "untrue". What true? That it is his opinion? The statement itself? The man stated his opinion and that is what I object to.


My question is, do you agree "traitors deserve death, and in a society based upon Christianity, heretics may be rightly counted as traitors, as they seek the overthrow of the existing social order."
1,177 posted on 03/22/2004 10:27:27 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I find it curious you ask what part of the above is "untrue". What true? That it is his opinion? The statement itself? The man stated his opinion and that is what I object to.

I'm sorry it's such a difficult question. Since you "object" to the statement, I thought you might tell us what is wrong with it, what is untrue.

Here, let me deomonstrate.

My question is, do you agree "traitors deserve death, and in a society based upon Christianity, heretics may be rightly counted as traitors, as they seek the overthrow of the existing social order."

"Traitor deserve death." Yes absolutely true.

"in a society based upon Christianity, heretics may be rightly counted as traitors, as they seek the overthrow of existing social order." This also seems to be true. Knowing what he means by "society based upon Christianity" as one with a monarch and one within church and state are not seperate.

I don't agree that we should be forced to live under such a regime, or that we ever will acheive such a thing on this earth. It is our eventual goal, however. Christ is King and His Kingdom is a Christian monarchy.

But, in this life on this earth, I don't see it happening. But if it were the case, then heretics would indeed be traitors. And they would indeed seek the overthrow of the existing order. And, barring other methods of removing this corrupting influence, the death penalty would be warranted.

That's why I drew the similarity to the current Islamic terrorists. Their heretical views (that we are all infidels who deserve to submit or die) make them dangerous to the social order of Western civilization. If they can not be assimilated or be insulated from us, then death may be the only way to protect ourselves from them.

SD

1,178 posted on 03/22/2004 10:37:06 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
You used a lot of words when it obvious you look forward to a society controlled by the "Christian (Roman Catholic) Church" which will determine who the "heretics" are and how they are to be punished.

And that explains why I want nothing to do with "ecumenism" under the auspices of the RCC. (History counts).

1,179 posted on 03/22/2004 11:27:08 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I don't agree that we should be forced to live under such a regime, or that we ever will acheive such a thing on this earth.

You used a lot of words when it obvious you look forward to a society controlled by the "Christian (Roman Catholic) Church" which will determine who the "heretics" are and how they are to be punished.

You're awfully dense.

SD

1,180 posted on 03/22/2004 11:31:27 AM PST by SoothingDave
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