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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Read a couple posts back, the verse is a quote from Psalms. Two different words (Hebrew and Greek), the two words most commonly used to denote God in Hebrew and Greek, are used to refer to Christ. Capital or not, why would the author of Hebrews refer to Christ as "theos"?
Let's play the same selective capitalization with John 10:R 34: Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, `I said, you are gods'?
Let's look at the verse just before this:
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
A lot of people in scripture seems to have come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was God. Some wanted to kill him for it and some accepted it. The killers won that battle, but Christ won the war.
You think repeating this over and over is going to make it true? :-)
Quite a leap in logic in my opinion. :-)
I certainly don't think it wrong to call Messiah Yahoshua 'god/elohim', seeing the term is also applied to Moses, the judges, kings, etc. and he has a status greater than they and will receive a throne greater than they. Yet clearly, Messiah Yahoshua also has an elohim that he must answer to and will one day deliver his kingdom up to.
As for forgiving sins, this still comes from Father YHWH, as Yahoshua speaks and does only what he receives from his Father.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Blessings
Yes, I can agree with that.
Now if the Lord's desire is to be King over His people, then why would He send a mere man to be King over His earthly kingdom. Would not God want be the ruler of such a Kingdom?
Now I hardly consider Messiah Yahoshua to be 'merely' a man, but the anointed one of YHWH. Yet, I think Corinthians explains Messiah's reign. His task is to bring all things to full restoration and all enemies under his feet, then to deliver up the kingdom to YHWH. The last enemy to be conquered shall be death, which he casts into the fire in Revelation. YHWH shall then be all in all (king over each of our lives).
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
(24) Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
(25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
(26) The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
(27) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
(28) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Well it's nice that you totally ignored everything else, but decided to focus on this, but nonetheless, that paper ignored what the essence of the Godhead is like, a unity of plurality. For instance, how the United States is composed of many states. The United States is a plurality, but it's always referred to in the singular.
An article:
The meaning of Elohim
We come back to the biblical reality that God has chosen to express His personal nature in terms of a family relationship. Elohim is the Hebrew word for God in every passage of Genesis 1 as well as in more than 2,700 places throughout the Old Testament.
Elohim is a noun that is plural in form but normally singular in usage—that is, paired with singular verbs—when designating the true God. For a comparable modern expression, consider the term United States. This proper noun is plural in form but singular in usage. It is used with singular verbs. For example, Americans say, “The United States is going to take action,” not “The United States are going to take action.” The plural form does signify multiple states—but, taken collectively, they are viewed as one nation.
It is the same with Elohim. The word Eloah, meaning “Mighty One,” is the singular form. Elohim, meaning “Mighty Ones,” is plural. And, indeed, there were two Mighty Ones, the Father and the Word. But, collectively, as Elohim, the two are seen as one God. Elohim said, “Let Us make man in our image, according to Our likeness” (verse 26).
We should note that, since Elohim is the name of the God family, each family member can be called by this name. (Some Bible writers also use the word elohim as a plural noun with plural usage to describe false gods. So one crucial factor in comprehending the meaning of this Hebrew word is determining what is intended by the context.)
When Adam and Eve made the momentous decision to disobey their Creator by eating of the forbidden fruit, the divine reaction was, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil” (Genesis 3:22). And God cut them off from the tree of life (verses 22-24).
The Hebrew word here translated “know” often means to learn or become aware of something through one’s personal experience. For Adam and Eve it was not enough to simply accept God’s command to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They instead chose to step into God’s place and determine for themselves what was good and what was evil. The psalmist notes that the ungodly question God’s knowledge: “And they say, ‘How does God know? And is there knowledge in the Most High?’” (Psalm 73:11).
The phrase “one of Us,” we should note, provides clear evidence that more than one constituted the “Us.” Moreover, to “become like one of Us” was actually our Creator’s original intention for all humanity, but it has to be done God’s way and in His own time frame. That way is to submit ourselves to every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4).
Only our Creator has the right and wisdom to determine what is good and evil for us. He knows what’s best for us and never wanted us to learn what is evil through experimentation. He tells us: “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; the statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes” (Psalm 19:7-8). He wants us to trust Him and His judgment.
Satan deceived Eve into attempting to take a shortcut to divine knowledge, and Adam followed her erroneous course of action. Some 4,000 years later the devil offered Jesus a similar shortcut, but He firmly rejected the temptation (Matthew 4:8-10). There are no shortcuts to something as precious as becoming part of God’s eternal ruling Kingdom. Instead, “we must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God” (Acts 14:22).
If you're going to use 1 Corinthians as a reference, then how would you explain this view of Paul's concerning Christ?
Col 1:16 For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And He is the Head of the body, the church, who is the Beginning, the First-born from the dead, that He may be pre-eminent in all things.
Does this not also indicate a pre-existence of the the Word, Christ?
You've not responded to all my points either. grow up.
Gonna go drown my sorrows now. ;o)
Generally when I don't respond to a point it either means I'm in general agreement or it isn't germane to the topic being discussed.
I'm sorry you feel that I'm immature.
Same here.
I would imagine anyone who feels good about their bracket at this point
a) Is in denial.
b) Knows nothing about basketball
c) Is psychic
Vanderbilt got handed the game by some stupid plays by NC State and a horrible intentional foul call that turned into a 5 point play. Kentucky turned the ball over at least 3 times in the last 2 minutes. And those were just the games I saw. You can't predict the way Nevada's played nor the way Stanford and Kentucky didn't play. And that's why the Tournament's a blast to watch.
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