Scientific Evience against Mormonism

[truthfinder9]

New Film Reveals Evidence Against Mormons' Historical Account

By Jenni Parker and Chad Groening December 3, 2003

(AgapePress) - A Utah-based Christian ministry is trying to make the public aware of new DNA research that could spell disaster for the Mormon Church.

Since its founding in the 1820s by Joseph Smith, the Mormon Church, now known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), has claimed that its primary sacred text, the Book of Mormon, is a historical account of a group of Israelites who emigrated to the New World in about 600 B.C. The church claims that modern American Indians are descended from some of these ancient Israelite progenitors (Laman and Lemuel). LDS members claim that the prophet Mormon, who they believe originally compiled the history that became the Book of Mormon, also had Hebrew roots, supposedly being descended from an ancient Israelite named Nephi. According to LDS lore, Mormon's son Moroni hid metal plates engraved with his father's record of the "Nephites" and the "Lamanites" in the side of a hill, where Joseph Smith found them with the divine assistance of the angel Moroni and translated them into English.

But now, a new video has documented several DNA studies refuting the purported Hebrew origins of the early inhabitants of the American continent.

The video was produced by Living Hope Ministries http://www.livinghopeministries.info the media production arm of Living Hope Christian Fellowship, a small,evangelical non-denominational congregation located in Brigham City, a predominantly LDS community in northern Utah. Living Hope's pastor, Joel Kramer, produced the film titled DNA vs. the Book of Mormon >, which reveals among other evidence, the testimony of molecular anthropologists and other scientific experts asserting that DNA conclusively proves American Indians are not of Israelite ancestry.

[irishtenor]

Ping.

[Fifthmark]

I can hear the Mormons now: "Don't listen to them, they're antis!" But God forbid if the Mormons become "evangelical, non-denominational" biblists instead - two wrongs don't make a right.

[gcruse]

Caution is advised in laying bare the absurdities of another man's religion. If religion was provable, rational, and empirical, there'd be no need of faith.

[bobjam]

Yeah, but you have to look at the facts. One can go to Israel and look at all the places named in the Bible- from Abraham's well to the Mount of Olives. The people in the Bible are actual historical people in actual historical places- certifiable by both archeology and pagan historians. The Book of Mormon is entirely different. Those people and places only appear in that book. Nowhere else.

[drstevej]

Right, Paul stakes the validity of Christianity on the historical event of the ressurrection. He says boldly if Christ did not exit the grave then our faith is foolish.

If the historeical foundations of Joseph Smith's religion are fictional, he is a false prophet. His credibility rises and falls with that of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. LDS try to evade this by saying that the truth of the BoM is verified by a "burning bosom" experience. If the BoM is factually bogus then one's burning bosom is heartburn and the LDS "faith" is a damning fantasy -- spiritual poison.

[bobjam]

that "burning bosom" could turn out to be much more than heartburn...

[White Mountain]

It would be a good idea for you to provide links to other views, for example this one, which has links to many more:

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/DNA.shtml

Many of our critics appear to be hoping that no one will look at both "sides" before jumping to the conclusion our critics seem to want them to jump to.

[White Mountain]

Your #3: But God forbid if the Mormons become "evangelical, non-denominational" biblists instead - two wrongs don't make a right.

Why do you think Latter-Day Saints are trying to do that, and what would be wrong with that anyway?

Latter-Day Saints are Christian, even if no one else is Christian. We do have missionaries. We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly. We are not non-denominational -- by which I think you mean lowest common denominator, wishy-washy. No, we are not that. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has sent true and living apostles and prophets to the earth in our day, and has given much latter-day revelation to the world through them.

[drstevej]

"My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the thereof.”

Joseph Smith History 1:18-19

The LDS when honest consider themselves the only Christians. Don't believe such White Lies. 
 

[Gamecock]

Didn't I see you bashing mormons on another site?

[Wrigley]

Really?

White, I wouldn't have guessed that.

[Gamecock]

It would appear that s/he is playing on both sides of the street.

[Alex Murphy]

GC: It would appear that s/he is playing on both sides of the street.

Who woulda thunk it? While White sounds as if s/he's trying to say "we're all Christians", what other use would the second half of this sentence serve, except to bear testimony to little Joey's statement "join none of them...all are an abomination"?

White: "Latter-Day Saints are Christian, even if no one else is Christian".

[xJones]

We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has sent true and living apostles and prophets to the earth in our day, and has given much latter-day revelation to the world through them.

There certainly have been revelations but they keep getting over-ruled. Polygamy was essential for exaultation, but that got put on hold. And blacks were really a no-no for the priesthood, but that got over-ruled..... It's just one darn revelation after another.

[Onelifetogive]

But God forbid if the Mormons become "evangelical, non-denominational" biblists instead...

The "anti-fundamentalist" bigotry rampant here in the Religion cesspool is so pathetic...

I just love pasting in the most commonly used statement on FreeRepublic and replacing the word "anti-catholic" with "anti-fundamentalist"...

[Onelifetogive]

...and has given much latter-day revelation to the world through them.

Does anyone really believe that Paul taught this "latter-day revelation" to the Galatians in the "earlier-days"? If not, how about...

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[Revelation 911]

We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly

specifically what verses are translated incorrectly?

[xzins]

The entire part from Bom X through Bom Y.

[polemikos]

Here's a link:

Problems with the Book of Mormon