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The Schism of 2003
Time Magazine - Europe ^
| 20 October 2003 (cover date)
| DAVID VAN BIEMA
Posted on 10/12/2003 7:48:36 PM PDT by ahadams2
The Schism of 2003
Will the global Anglican church split in two over gay bishops? A meeting this week may decide
By DAVID VAN BIEMA
At the opening of a spirited gathering in Dallas last week that often felt more like a tent revival than the rump caucus of a denomination sometimes known as "God's frozen people," Episcopal Bishop of Pittsburgh Robert Duncan wished Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, "the wisdom of Solomon." Williams, the spiritual leader of the Anglican Communion, will preside this week over a meeting in London that may decide the future of the denomination in the U.S. and around the world, so he can certainly use the good wishes. But what gave Duncan's salutation its special bite was that he specified the Biblical anecdote in which Solomon chose between two women claiming parenthood of a baby, "so that the true mother of the living child [could] raise him." The analogy was clear. The baby is the Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. (ECUSA), and Duncan, a high-ranking conservative insurgent, sees the current controversy over homosexuality as a custody battle for its body and its soul. He seemed to be expecting to get custody.
Like other mainline denominations in the U.S., the Episcopal Church is deeply split over questions of gay ordination and marriage. But in August in Minneapolis, at its triennial General Convention, it appeared to become the first to implode over the issue, as 62 of its 107 normally conflict-averse leaders confirmed the election of a popular, openly gay priest named V. Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire. Outraged, more than a dozen bishops rejected the vote and threatened to remove their congregations permanently.
The possibility of such a schism sent shock waves through the 70-million-strong Anglican Communion, the global network of churches descended from the Church of England. In recent years, the Communion's power base has shifted from liberal-but-shrinking Western churches to booming, socially conservative Third World congregations, and most of the primates who lead the burgeoning provinces sided with the anti-Robinson camp. The Minneapolis vote came a month after openly gay priest Jeffrey John renounced his appointment as a Church of England bishop following a similar outcry, and on the heels of an even more controversial decision by a Canadian diocese to bless gay unions. With Anglican unity at stake, Williams called this week's two-day primates' meeting in London. Participants at the Dallas meeting predicted one of two possible outcomes: the voluntary or involuntary replacement of Robinson; or a departure by conservatives, who will pull their members and their money out of Episcopalianism and join the Third World bishops in a new Anglican alignment.
(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...
TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: aac; anglican; apostasy; bishop; church; communion; conservative; ecusa; episcopal; heresy; homosexual; response; usa
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wow - Time Magazine actually manages to grasp the seriousness of the issue...
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posted on
10/12/2003 7:48:36 PM PDT
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ahadams2
To: ahadams2; Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; mel; ...
Ping.
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10/12/2003 7:49:13 PM PDT
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ahadams2
( Anglicanism: the next reformation begins NOW)
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10/12/2003 7:52:33 PM PDT
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To: ahadams2; Gamecock; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; RnMomof7; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Frozen Chosen?
To: CARepubGal

That just cracks me up.....
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posted on
10/12/2003 8:45:58 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(Piel, a Pope for the rest of us!)
To: CARepubGal
*ahem* yes. God's frozen Chosen. It's difficult to adequately define this in a text environment, other than to say that every basic Anglican emotion can be expressed with some variation in tone of the sound "hmmm" and appropriate motions of one, or in extreme cases both, eyebrows...:-)
Of course your milage may vary and since you know I'm Charismatic you need to allow for the usual Anglican 'wiggle room' in any statement of that nature.
Was that Anglican enough for you? :-)
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posted on
10/12/2003 9:00:18 PM PDT
by
ahadams2
( Anglicanism: the next reformation begins NOW)
To: ahadams2; Gamecock
Um actually the term "frozen chosen" usually is applied to Presbyterians so it threw me off a bit. ;-) You know, I may have a solution for you.... the OPC, PCA or other local Presbyterian (NOT PCA or Cumberland Presbyterian: they are more liberal and heretical than the Episcopalian heretics).
To: Gamecock
Me too. From what I am seeing, it does not fit. :-)
To: CARepubGal; ahadams2; Gamecock; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7
Just remember:
Many are Cold, but few are frozen< /pun meter>
II Opinions 6:66, New American Slandered bible
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posted on
10/12/2003 9:20:19 PM PDT
by
Calvinist_Dark_Lord
(I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
To: CARepubGal
eh, well, the Presby's are merely johnny come lately ne'er do wells in the category of God's frozen Chosen - they were off being pilgrims or puritan flour (tm) or some such when our predecessors were already in full form! :-)
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posted on
10/12/2003 9:46:10 PM PDT
by
ahadams2
( Anglicanism: the next reformation begins NOW)
To: ahadams2
You are brave. Somewhat insane but brave. ;-) (the Scots are Presby and tend to have those bad tempers brewed by kilt wearing in winter and consuming Haggis.......) ;-)
To: ahadams2
Others may want to hark back to Duncan's Solomon reference, and wonder whether, after all the pulling and prodding, the contested child may not be permanently damaged.
One sign that the writer(s) didn't get it (and possibly that they side with the libs).
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posted on
10/13/2003 1:27:30 AM PDT
by
polemikos
(Salus Ex Catholicis Est)
To: ahadams2; CARepubGal
Our church leadership* had a talk a while back regarding people saying amen out loud during the service. It was decided we would not take a stand on this volatile issue.
We still have not come to a consensus on other emotional outbursts, such as raising hands in the air during singing.....
*We have yet to particularize, so we don't have a session yet...
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posted on
10/13/2003 6:04:40 AM PDT
by
Gamecock
(Piel, a Pope for the rest of us!)
To: ahadams2
Excuse me, I personally saw a congregant tentatively raise one arm into the air during a particularly rousing hymn.
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posted on
10/13/2003 8:33:41 AM PDT
by
altura
To: ahadams2
Heh-heh.
True story (or so I was told by my Gaelic teacher) - an evangelist from the city happened to visit a small "Wee Free" Presbyterian congregation in the western Highlands of Scotland. During the service he began his usual waving of hands and loud cries of "Amen!" and "Praise the Lord."
After awhile, one of the ushers tapped him on the shoulder and whispered sternly, "We dinna praise the Lord here."
. . . . bada bing.
A true story about Episcopalians: In the great settlement of the Western United States, as westward the course of empire trended its way, the evangelists followed. The Baptists walked; the Methodists rode horseback; the Presbyterians took the stagecoach. But the Episcopalians waited until they invented the Pullman car . . .
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posted on
10/13/2003 9:44:53 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Nihil sub sole novum. . .)
To: altura
And who on earth was singing a "rousing hymn"?
Have you ever read a little book called Oh Ye Jigs and Juleps written by a little Virginia girl around the turn of the last century? At one point, she opines about the difference between Baptists and Episcopalians . . . something along the lines of "Baptists sing 'there is a fountain filled with blood drawn from Immanuel's veins/ and sinners plunged beneath that flood lose all their guilty stains.' We sing 'crown him lord of all.' I think it is much more ladylike to crown him lord of all than to go plunging around in a bloody fountain . . . "
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posted on
10/13/2003 9:47:15 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Nihil sub sole novum. . .)
To: CARepubGal
"Och, it's a rare tourist wha gets tae witness the Wild Haggis Romp . . . "
My great grandfather immigrated from Scotland in his kilts. Nobody laughed. (His nickname was "Big Boy" and he was 6'8".)
That branch of the family was very stern Presbyterian. I may be the only Episcopalian child on record who received for my confirmation a copy of the Westminster Catechism, from my Very Presby maternal grandmother.
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posted on
10/13/2003 9:49:17 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Nihil sub sole novum. . .)
To: AnAmericanMother
Rousing hymns are few and far between!!
But I do love Crown Him Lord of All.
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posted on
10/13/2003 10:07:03 AM PDT
by
altura
To: polemikos
You wrote "One sign that the writer(s) didn't get it (and possibly that they side with the libs)."
uh, guy - we're talking Time magazine here - of course they side with the libs... The problem they have is that up until recently a large part of the left assumed (incorrectly) that the entire Anglican Communion was on their side... now they are finding out otherwise, and it's left many of them in total shock...all of us conservative Anglicans are an 'impossible thing' from their perspective, especially when they see conservative Caucasian Anglicans seeking guidance and leadership from conservative African and Asian Anglicans, thus completely shredding the left's self-conceit that all conservatives are racists ...that makes us a double impossible thing...I guess it's amazing they can see us at all, eh?
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posted on
10/13/2003 10:57:54 AM PDT
by
ahadams2
( Anglicanism: the next reformation begins NOW)
To: altura
To get a really good rousing hymn going, in four part harmony no less, you really have to go grab a copy of the
Original Sacred Harp If you've never heard an old-fashioned singing, just go here and here to find one near you. It's worth the trip.
Samples can be heard here, sung by the Word of Mouth Chorus, which keeps the "rousing" part true to its original nature, but more musical. Some of the clips do not have the words, but are sung to the "sol-fa" notation for those who don't read staff notation. Listen to "Cowper" (the words are by the English poet) for a marvelously complex fuging tune, composed in the 20s IIRC. "Northfield" is one of the old 18th c. New England singing school tunes. But if you want the real, unvarnished, backwoods singing with the bark on, try this old Alan Lomax recording (but if you're a musician, you won't be happy). Harp of a Thousand Strings
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posted on
10/13/2003 10:59:35 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Nihil sub sole novum. . .)
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