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Not Enough Comets in the Cupboard
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Posted on 09/13/2003 5:17:25 PM PDT by bondserv

Not Enough Comets in the Cupboard   09/03/2003
There’s a shortage of comets.  The Hubble Space Telescope peered into the Kuiper Belt cupboard, and found it nearly empty – only 4% of the predicted supply was found.
    Astronomers needed a bigger storehouse to explain the number of short-period comets now inhabiting the solar system.  The Kuiper Belt, a region of small icy bodies beyond Neptune, has been the favored source of comets with orbital periods 200 years or less, but the new measurements, soon to be published in the Astrophysical Journal, are “wildly inconsistent” with the observed number of comets.  Astronomers expected to find 85 trans-Neptunian objects in the cupboard, and found only three.
    Science News1 calls this a riddle.  For this region to be a viable source, there should be hundred or even thousands of times as many objects as were actually found.  Perhaps the objects expected had been dashed into dust by collisions.  The measurements indicate that another hoped-for source at the outer edge of the Kuiper Belt “might not be sufficiently massive to spawn the short-period comets.”
    As quoted in the report in Science Now, how does one researcher describe the finding?  “This is very exciting work.”


1Science News Week of Sept. 6, 2003 (164:10): Ron Cowen, “Hubble Highlights a Riddle: What's the source of quick-return comets?”
A true scientist should be excited that a hypothesis proves false, as much as when it proves true; what is undesirable in science is ambiguity.  Unfortunately, no amount of evidence seems to ever cause naturalistic planetary scientists to falsify the idea that the solar system formed out of undirected, purposeless natural forces billions of years ago.  “Exciting” becomes their euphemism for baffled, disappointed, and clueless.  What would really be exciting would be to see a planetary scientist follow the data where it leads, and question the assumption that the solar system is so old.
    This empirical measurement leaves planetary scientists in a quandary.  Why do we still have comets after the assumed 4.5 billion years the solar system has existed, when we know they are burning out within just thousands of years?  Several recent comet stories reported here are leaving them with diminishing options: There aren’t enough sources, and they are burning out too fast to last 4.5 billion years.  This is very exciting work.


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To: bondserv
Rather, the box I am in is one of His making.

Am I correct in assuming you are a YEC?

61 posted on 09/14/2003 1:35:17 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: VadeRetro
Meaning how you're allowed to interpret facts? Not my problem!

He provides enough material for all of us to enjoy our discoveries. Part of the box He created includes the creative, reasoning minds that we possess. Couple that with free-will and we are gorilla no more.

No wonder were a lot like Him.

62 posted on 09/14/2003 1:36:40 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
They will be fine as long as they are willing to follow the evidence.

For the vast majority, that is the case. There are a few who become celebrities who like to make philosophical conclusions. A big part of the problem is journalists who constantly goad famous people into saying something controversial.

63 posted on 09/14/2003 1:36:43 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: ThinkPlease
Am I correct in assuming you are a YEC?

I have leanings in that direction.

The eyewitness testimony that I trust says life began recently, and if I understand the straightforward meaning of the message correctly, the universe is recent as well. However explaining how God did it leaves room for us to discover.

For 150 yrs Christians have had to be dumbfounded by where the evidence appeared to point. (Evidence of our integrity regarding our intellectual honesty). This, in my opinion, is beginning to change. Scientists are starting to review the evidence, as well as consider new evidence, from a Biblical perspective, and with gathering success.

64 posted on 09/14/2003 2:35:36 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
I have leanings in that direction.

Translation: I've been handing out YEC leaflets for the past 2 or so years.

65 posted on 09/14/2003 4:07:22 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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I think this is very suspicious! Those comets are our property!

We should immediately send a patrol to see if those sticky-gingered Proxima Centaurians are up to no good. Alpha Centauri ( A and B) and Barnard's star could use a "peaceful" visit too before they get any ideas about snatching our stuff.

66 posted on 09/14/2003 4:19:59 PM PDT by mrsmith (First Galactic Neocon)
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To: VadeRetro
leaflet-like placemarker
67 posted on 09/14/2003 5:51:41 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: bondserv
The eyewitness testimony that I trust says life began recently, and if I understand the straightforward meaning of the message correctly, the universe is recent as well. However explaining how God did it leaves room for us to discover.

I appreciate your honesty. I'm curious, is there any evidence out there that would make you change your interpretation, or is the words placed in the Bible irrevocable?

68 posted on 09/14/2003 6:05:09 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: ThinkPlease; bondserv
I appreciate your honesty. I'm curious, is there any evidence out there that would make you change your interpretation, or is the words placed in the Bible irrevocable?

Thoughtful question. :-)

69 posted on 09/15/2003 8:23:15 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: longshadow; PatrickHenry; Physicist; ThinkPlease; boris; VadeRetro; Stultis; Junior; ...
Interesting side note:

First, I would like to appologise for being gone so long. My poor computer's power supply died. (fixed now :-)) That is what you get when you run too low a wattage. I only had a 430 watt supply. Now its 560. :-)

While I was installling my new supply in my computer, I decided to rewatch tha old classic "The Day the Earth Stood Still. When Klaatu (the alien) explains how far he traveled I sat up and took notice. He said 250 million miles. I though for about 2 seconds and figured that the only planets (outside the Earth) that could be within that distance were Mercury, Venus, and Mars.

Then he said it took him about 5 months to travel that distance. Bells rang in my head. I thought for a second and started to laugh (I had never noticed this before). The Earth travels about 250 million miles in 5 months. Interesting huh! LOL

70 posted on 09/15/2003 8:39:14 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Welcome back.
71 posted on 09/15/2003 8:48:02 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Your local dim bulb.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; ThinkPlease
Thanks for bringing this post back into my focus. I thought I had responded.

My first instinct would be to say, I have no problem not understanding the specifics of any given passage in Scripture. My past experience is that passages that give me trouble are resolved by praying for wisdom concerning the issue.

Thus far God has been faithful to sustain my faith by producing answers either through the Word, circumstances, discussion with other Christians, and often by something that is said by someone who is not a believer. Most frequently, I seemingly stumble upon a passage of Scripture that deals more clearly with the topic.

Ultimately, Jesus is the person I filter all of my feelings, thoughts and beliefs through. When a person begins to have a better knowledge of the entire Bible, the miraculous integrity forces one to acknowledge that it has been inspired by one intellegence.

66 books by 40 authors that is seamless in it's history, spiritual consistancy, and focus on the person of Jesus Christ, forces the student to acknowledge the supernatural nature of it's contents.

So if evidence appears to contradict scripture, I chalk it up to my ignorance and am forced to accept the evidence at face value to maintain intellectual honesty. Evidence that I have been exposed to so far that was an apparent contradiction to scripture has not been broad enough to nullify the Word, and has been worked out by God to my satisfaction.
72 posted on 09/15/2003 8:51:17 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Thank you :-)
73 posted on 09/15/2003 8:54:51 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: bondserv
So if evidence appears to contradict scripture, I chalk it up to my ignorance and am forced to accept the evidence at face value to maintain intellectual honesty.

That is a fair statement :-)

74 posted on 09/15/2003 8:55:59 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer; ThinkPlease
There are no passages in Scripture, which ask us to blindly accept the Word, and to shut off our reason. In my opinion, God created intellect, and encourages us to explore both ideas, and our universe.

The free-will he gifted us with shapes our desire for creativity, and exploration.

You know the feeling or thought you have after watching an impacting movie. Something inside has fundamentally changed. I have been altered in a way that touches the spiritual side of my being. When we determine in our free-will to learn of the Creator he begins to continuously use the Bible to fundamentally change us similarly to an impacting movie.

This desire for fundamental change is not created by us, rather it is stimulated by the blessings that God reveals.
75 posted on 09/15/2003 9:11:15 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Thank you so much for posting this. I have been reading the Bible tonight for further information on The Kuiper Belt. Can you direct me to the relevant passages?

76 posted on 09/15/2003 9:13:39 PM PDT by jas3
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To: RadioAstronomer
Good to see you, RadioAstronomer! I'm glad you got that power supply replaced. Hugs!!!

Your reaction to the classic reminded me of a science project my daughter did back in 6th grade. We were driving along and she was fretting about what to tackle - the kids were allowed to choose a project but it was going to figure heavily in their grade.

A fly kept buzzing her and she made some remark about how fast the fly was moving. I added that however fast the fly was moving, he was also in a car moving at 60 mph.

She went "hmmm!" and began adding everything up, the fly, the car, the earth rotating, the earth’s orbit around the sun, the solar system in the Milky Way, the Milky Way through space. I forgot what number she came up with, but it was huge.

Anyway, she put it all together in a presentation and got an "A". I was a very proud mommy!

77 posted on 09/15/2003 9:17:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bondserv
Thanks for the reply. I will re-read it tomorrow. :-)

It's late tonight :-)

78 posted on 09/15/2003 9:20:45 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Alamo-Girl
Anyway, she put it all together in a presentation and got an "A". I was a very proud mommy!

Whooohooo! :-)

79 posted on 09/15/2003 9:21:23 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: bondserv
A large meteor hits a 'wet' planet and splashes water into space-blam! Instant icies in all directions.
80 posted on 09/15/2003 9:33:44 PM PDT by budwiesest (Gladly: The cross-eyed bear.)
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