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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:


I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer.

Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at

#1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached.

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

Oh, and ping everybody you can think of.

72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:06 PM EDT by floriduh voter


From summer:

"..do a separate thread asking people to call this phone number FV provided. This could get a guardian appointed if the judge is tossed off the case for BIAS."


Background:

8 Jeb Bush intervenes for Schindler-Schiavo -   WND | 8/26

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In a letter, Bush asked Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer yesterday to keep her alive until a court-appointed guardian can "independently investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


8 From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo. Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | 8/27

 ----- Original Message -----
From: [Governor Bush's office]
To: [summer's email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Letter regarding Terri Schiavo

> August 26, 2003

> The Honorable George W. Greer
> Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit
> 315 Court Street, Room 484
> Clearwater, Florida 33756

Dear Judge Greer:

> I appreciate the challenging legal and ethical issues before you in the case > of Terri Schiavo. As I have expressed over the course of the past several > weeks, our system of government has committed these decisions to the > judicial branch, and we must respect that process. Consistent with this > principle, I normally would not address a letter to a judge in a pending > legal proceeding. However, my office has received over 27,000 emails > reflecting understandable concern for the well being of Terri Schiavo. > Given that there is no procedural avenue available for these views to be > expressed to you in the normal course of the proceedings, I feel compelled > to write in the hopes that you will give serious consideration to > re-appointment of a guardian ad litem for Mrs. Schiavo before permitting the > removal of her feeding tube or other actions calculated to end her life.

> This case represents the disturbing result of a severe family disagreement > in extremely trying circumstances. Emotions are high, accusations abound, > and at the heart of this public and private maelstrom is a young woman > incapable of speaking for herself.

> I am disturbed by new rumors about the guardian's actions related to the > current care of Mrs. Schiavo. It has come to my attention that Mrs. Schiavo > has contracted a life threatening illness, and that she may be denied > appropriate treatment. If true, this indicates a decision by her caregivers > to initiate an "exit protocol" that may include withholding treatment from > Mrs. Schiavo until her death, which would render this Court's ultimate > decision moot. While the issue of Mrs. Schiavo's care is still before the > Court, I urge you to ensure that no act of omission or commission be allowed > to adversely affect Mrs. Schiavo's health before the September 11th hearing > you have set. No one involved should be permitted to circumvent due process > or the Court's authority in order to achieve personal objectives in this > case.

> Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members, I respectfully ask that you re-appoint a > qualified guardian ad litem to independently investigate the circumstances > of this case, and provide the Court an unbiased view that considers only the > best interests of Mrs. Schiavo.

> It is a fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right > to life, both of which are co-equal in our Constitution. To err on one side > is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the > debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no > remediation. I respectfully ask that you give Mrs. Schiavo's family the > opportunity to present any new evidence as to her wishes. Evidence as to > her wishes should be reweighed as often as necessary to take into account > the effect of any new evidence, that is, to determine whether "clear and > convincing evidence" still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose > withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures. While this process may delay the > surrogate's exercise of Mrs. Schiavo's privacy rights, it is necessary to > avoid denying her right to life. I urge you to err on the side of > conservative judgment to ensure that all facts can be uncovered and > considered before her life is terminated.

> I appreciate your compassion for Mrs. Schiavo's plight, and that of the > family members locked in dispute in these tragic circumstances. In light of > the ongoing contention related to so many issues in this case, I hope you > will consider appointing a guardian ad litem to ensure that the ultimate > decision is based on facts presented clearly, unclouded and uncolored by > personal interests of litigants.

> Sincerely,

> Jeb Bush

> cc: Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
> George J. Felos, Esq.


(WND article excerpts, cont.:) "On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court refused to intervene in the case, clearing the way for a Sept. 11 hearing in which Greer would set a date for removal of the feeding tube.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long legal battle with their son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26.

***The bitter dispute over Terri's lack of care became a major euthanasia battle five years ago when her husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to have her feeding tube removed, claiming she is in a persistent vegetative state and would not want to be kept alive "artificially." The Schindlers and a number of doctors and therapists believe she could be rehabilitated, but the courts have consistently sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George Felos.

~~~~

The article is on CNSNews.com.

Florida Judge Rejects Governor's Bid to Help Terri Schiavo
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
August 27, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Florida Circuit Judge George Greer Tuesday rejected a plea from Governor Jeb Bush to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent the best interests of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman who suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. Bush had intervened Monday after receiving 27,000 email messages asking for his help on Terri's behalf.

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Bush wrote Greer Monday asking him not to remove the disabled woman's feeding tube until a new guardian ad litem could "independently investigate" her condition. In the letter, Bush referenced the "fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right to life," which Bush noted are co-equal under the Constitution.

"To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes and to continue the debate," Bush wrote. "To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation."

But Greer told the Associated Press that he no longer has a choice in the matter.

"Frankly, I think I'm operating under a mandate from the 2nd District Court of Appeals," Greer said, "and frankly I don't think I can stray from that mandate."

In that same interview, however, the judge contradicted his own assessment of the limitation on his authority by stating that he was "not inclined" to appoint a guardian ad litem.

Michael Schiavo called Gov. Bush's intervention on behalf of Terri "crazy."

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his right-to-life political supporters," Schiavo told Tampa Tribune reporter David Sommer. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it."

Schiavo - who, for five years, has been seeking judicial approval to end his wife's life by denying her nutrition and hydration - also accused Terri's parents of manipulating their Catholic faith to keep their daughter alive.

"I believe in God and so did (?) Terri," Schiavo said, speaking of his still living wife in the past tense, "but they are out to push it on people... suddenly they are on a religious kick."

Judge refuses motion for hearing to set 'death date'

Greer also denied a motion Tuesday to hold an immediate hearing to set a date for the removal of Terri's nutrition and hydration tube. The hearing will be held, as previously announced, on Sept. 11. At that hearing, Greer will also rule on whether Schiavo may legally prohibit Terri's priest from visiting her.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, had also petitioned the court Monday to prohibit doctors from caring for Terri's current fever, labored breathing, vomiting, diarrhea and a "substantial infection."

"Given the imminence of the ward's death, further treatment (other than comfort care) for the ward's infection and other medical problems is unnecessary, unwarranted, inappropriate and futile," Felos said in an emergency motion, adding that Terri, "should be put back in hospice and receive comfort care and die in a peaceful setting."

Greer denied that motion, as well.

55 posted on 08/27/2003 5:29 PM EDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)


Michael Schiavo is using "privacy" as an excuse for denying Terri every contact from the outside world, even flowers. "One sign of the case's nastiness is the Schindlers' complaint that Schiavo limits their visits with their daughter. They also say he has refused to allow doctors to examine her, refused her antibiotics and needed dental work, refused to replace a broken wheelchair so she could be taken outdoors and refused the delivery of flowers from a friend to her room on her birthday."

"Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," Michael Schiavo said. "Why take her to a gynecologist? She was supposed to die months ago. I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers or right-to-life activists. Even though she is vegetative she has a right to privacy."

17 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by I still care

***

I thought Gov Bush very eloquently made his case here, in this part:

To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation.

18 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by summer


***

..this judge is going to look really bad if this part is ignored by the judge:

Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members

21 posted on 08/27/2003 10:17 AM EDT by summer

***

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

That is one thing that floors me .. This Judge should have long ago appointed an independent Guardian Ad Litem and not left her husband as her sole guardian .. especially since there are questions about her husband with abuse and the fractured bones that were reveled in xrays of Terry.

Everything I have read .. this Judge seems hell bent on having her killed

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45 AM EDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)

***

I know that Mr. Schiavo has tried to ban Terri's mother and family and priest from seeing her.

But, I don't know how a court could prevent doctors from ordering therapy, speach therapy (which is often actually swallowing therapy) and most especially oral nutrition.

27 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)

***

Judge Greer has been with the husband since day one. A guardian ad litem would have been fair for Terri and her parents. Her parents love her but they are treated as the enemy. I'm ashamed this is happening in Pinellas County.

31 posted on 08/26/2003 7:41 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer:  1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us



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To: syriacus
from http://www.lisamcpherson.org/index.htm On December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson was dead on arrival at a hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater Florida. According to the coroner's report, Lisa was underweight, severely dehydrated, and had bruises and bug bites (see the entire report here).
1,381 posted on 09/04/2003 1:09:56 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sp/FLA.html

Excerpted from an internet newsgroup post of "WINNING!" , The Scientology Office of Special Affairs newsletter, regarding another event attended by state Senators and representatives:

"On January 18, 2003, more than 540 dignitaries and guests from throughout the Tampa Bay area arrived to celebrate the 76th Anniversary of the Fort Harrison...

The guests included the Mayor (Brian Aungst), Deputy Mayor and City Commissioner of Clearwater, the Clearwater and Hillsborough County Commissioners, the Sheriff (Everett Rice) and Deputy Sheriff of Pinellas County, mayors from seven surrounding cities, a representative from the Florida State Attorney's office, two former state senators, the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives (Johnnie Byrd), hundreds of local judges, attorneys, top business executives and other opinion leaders from throughout the community.

The keynote speaker was Stuart Rogel, president of the Tampa Bay Partnership, one of the top ten economic development groups in South Florida. Rogel validated the Church for its literacy and anti-drug programs, and presented Mary (Story) with a special plaque... (emphasis added)


1,382 posted on 09/04/2003 1:12:34 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sp/FLA.html
Despite the skepticism, Clearwater's Narconon is gaining acceptance.[snip]

Last summer, visitors included Babb and Allan, both of whom later were elected Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court judges. County Commissioner Latvala said she is open to Narconon as an alternative.  Public defender Dillinger also said Narconon could be a viable option for the criminal justice system.


1,383 posted on 09/04/2003 1:17:32 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus; All
I'm not really well versed with Scientology. I'll have to do more reading tonight. I do, however, think that it is not out of the question.

We are treading delicate ground here. Those whose agenda includes advancement of euthanasia are very powerful, very rich people with lots of friends. Please be careful to say "I believe", "What if" and other phrases when brainstorming.

Not only is the pro-death culture rich and powerful, it is my opinion that they are extremely dangerous. I mean that in the strongest possible terms.

It is also my opinion/belief that they will eventually win the day. That belief comes, of course, from my own Christian convictions and teachings. However, I am not convinced that their time has come. I think that we are required by law (both God's and the law of this great country) to intercede lawfully and prayerfully on behalf of those who cannot -- for ANY reason -- speak for themselves.

So be careful, dear ones. Each of us is precious to the Lord and you are all swiftly becoming precious to me as friends, not only fellow creatures of God.

1,384 posted on 09/04/2003 1:18:57 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: syriacus
I'm glad you posted this. It sparked a memory. On one of the culture-of-death websites, there was a link to buy and/or read the writings of Hubbard.

Looking more and more, um, INTERESTING....

Good post. You're doing great work!!!!!

1,385 posted on 09/04/2003 1:21:44 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: syriacus
Why did you first bring up the SP Junior College? Did I miss a connection in a prior post? Richard M Jerger serves on the board of their Development Foundation.
1,386 posted on 09/04/2003 1:21:52 PM PDT by agrace
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To: kimmie7
I understand. I know nothing about Scientology either.

Am I allowed to ask if Scientologists who were formerly Catholic have to permanently sever ties with the Church and its priests?

1,387 posted on 09/04/2003 1:22:11 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus
You can ask anything you want. I just want to protect people here by reminding them to phrase their "what-if" scenarios carefully to avoid any possible reprecussions.

If Scientology is a cult, and many believe it is, the standard method of operation is to have the new member sever all ties. So yes, I think that may be a safe assumption.

1,388 posted on 09/04/2003 1:25:30 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: agrace
Someone else brought St. Petersburg Junior College up first. I think they mentioned that Schiavo might have attended school there, and there seem to be several connections between that school and the hospice.

I came across St. Petersburg College (Not Jr. College) as having the Jerger-named school of nursing. Some Jerger (Foundation?) also provides scholarships at other schools.

1,389 posted on 09/04/2003 1:27:46 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: kimmie7
MSNBC received my e-mail to Joe Scarborough. Alas, they didn't refer to its contents.
1,390 posted on 09/04/2003 1:31:37 PM PDT by lakey (It's the Constitution, stupid!)
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To: syriacus
Thanks. And during my travels I found that the St Petersburg College and St Petersburg Junior College are one and the same. They apparently dropped the Junior from the name.
1,391 posted on 09/04/2003 1:41:34 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
And during my travels I found that the St Petersburg College and St Petersburg Junior College are one and the same.

Thanks for clearing that up.

That makes things easier.

1,392 posted on 09/04/2003 1:45:36 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: lakey
Keep it up. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and I'm sooo tired of people like the ACLU, NOW and the rest of those getting all the grease!
1,393 posted on 09/04/2003 1:55:23 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: syriacus
Did Greer get campaign money from Scientologists?

Greer ruled against Scientologists three and a half years ago, in a suit connected with Lisa McPherson's death.

St. Petersburg Times, published February 4, 2000

Judge rejects Scientology arguments CLEARWATER -- The Church of Scientology said it was being sued by people who had gone too far.

It said a 70-year-old woman from Texas had allowed the lawsuit over the death of her niece, Lisa McPherson, to be "hijacked" by church critics bent on destroying Scientology.

It asked a Pinellas probate judge to remove the aunt as head of McPherson's estate, which brought the death suit.

It said the aunt engaged in fraud, and it urged the judge to replace her with someone with no ill will toward Scientology.

But Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer rejected those arguments Thursday, ruling that Scientology has no legal interest in the estate of Lisa McPherson, the Scientologist who died in 1995 while under the care of church staffers in from Clearwater.

1,394 posted on 09/04/2003 2:08:51 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus
Found an interesting message posting on a nursing board regarding scientology and right-to-die. The formatting is choppy but content is intriguing.
1,395 posted on 09/04/2003 2:11:56 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
It is intriguing. I followed one of the links in the posting, too.

This was included in writings about the Nancy Jobes case,

"THIS PRACTICE OF BLURRING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN FEEDING AND MEDICAL TREATMENT IS QUITE COMMON....

ANOTHER APPROACH IS TO REPRESENT FEEDING ITSELF AS EXTRAORDINARY, ARTIFICIAL, OR FORCED.
(Original was all in caps)


1,396 posted on 09/04/2003 2:25:09 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus
Searched to see what is posted about Scientology on FR. This was posted today. What a coincidence!!

Boy, FR is a great source.

SCIENTOLOGY: NO RIGHTS, PLEASE

1,397 posted on 09/04/2003 2:40:27 PM PDT by syriacus (Is Terri suffering from severe depression, on top of the insult to her brain?)
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To: syriacus
Good catch!
1,398 posted on 09/04/2003 2:47:45 PM PDT by agrace
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To: All
This is a repeat of a question I asked on a different thread, but I'm suffering from freeping impatience waiting for an answer, so excuse the repost:

I've been lurking on these threads, and I keep feeling conflicted.

The doctor who said it looked like foul play said her scan indicated strangulation. However, in that case she'd have had some pretty obvious neck trauma, right?

Maybe the nurses could help me out - could someone be strangled, strangled until there was massive damage, and not have obvious neck trauma (black and blues, swelling, etc.)???
1,399 posted on 09/04/2003 3:09:05 PM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: RedRidingHood; yhwhsman; TheSpottedOwl; pc93; dandelion; GHCubana; iowamomforfreedom; Lovergirl; ...
Okay. That was spooky.

Here's what just happened to me. As you all know, I do graphic design. I was just working on something regarding the Jell-O campaign...you'll see more about it later. I had just finished quoting Ferrara about the Schindlers losing their daughter because no one wanted to raise a spoon of Jell-O to her mouth. I went to change the font size, as it was a little large. I had already decided I liked the look of it without looking at what font it was.

Guess what font it was in...the name of the font is

Schindler.

Kinda wild, huh? Not a sign from God or anything. I just thought it was really spooky.

I'm not joking. This just happened.

1,400 posted on 09/04/2003 3:15:23 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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