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1 posted on 08/24/2003 3:58:58 AM PDT by JustPiper
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Added FAIR spokesman David Ray: "If illegal immigration is not stopped at the border, its negative consequences, including bankrupt emergency rooms and overcrowded schools, quickly become everyone's financial burden."

No quarrel here, David Ray. But someone should inform U.S Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, who in the misnamed DREAM Act, seems intent on making all too quickly the higher education of illegal aliens every one's financial burden.

2 posted on 08/24/2003 4:02:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"Regardless of what the dollar figure is, these children have a right to an education," Jim Ferg-Cadima, legislative staff lawyer at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, told The Washington Times.

I agree they have a 'right' to an education. IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY! AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR TAX DOLLARS. NOT MINE!

3 posted on 08/24/2003 4:47:13 AM PDT by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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I just do not understand why we never hear a word about the Mexican Government and the human rights violations occuring against the Mexican people. Mexico has huge nature reserves of oil and minerals and recieves vast amounts in the sales of these items. Why isn't the Mexican government taking care of their own people? What are they doing with all the money they make? Where is the money going?

It seems to be a taboo subject, but I believe it is time to investigate why these poor people are not being taken care of by their own government. These issues should be brought to light and we, the United States, should CLOSE our boarders, NOW!!!

5 posted on 08/24/2003 5:23:11 AM PDT by spirit_free (How many Congressional Democrats belong to the Socialist Party of America ..... lots!)
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They come here to get a better life. Seems like that's why all our ancestors came here.

I'd rather spend the money on their education than on the war in Iraq.

6 posted on 08/24/2003 5:31:06 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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"Regardless of what the dollar figure is, these children have a right to an education,"

No, they have the priviledge to accept the gift of an education provided by American taxpayers; in English or it costs more and is worth less.

A sick resident of Mexico City can hop a plane to Miami or Houston and get free medical treatment. It's been done for years.

9 posted on 08/24/2003 5:41:19 AM PDT by lonestar (Weinie for California Governor!)
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18 POINT ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Individuals of Islamic faith (muslims) from any country shall be denied immigration privileges or entry into the US. Christians and Jews from muslim countries fleeing religious persecution shall receive preferential and accelerated immigration privileges.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every six (6) months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning, and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies shall be subject to fines and penalty that fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire border violators. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) GWV workers shall be prohibited for voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) Foreign Students (F/S) (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private institution or public (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the F/S attends school full-time. F/S shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended. The originating country shall pay for any and all loss caused by students while on U.S. soil.

17) Border Violators seeking emergency medical treatment shall provide pictures, fingerprints and DNA samples along with country of origin, and shall be treated then incarcerated until information provided can be verified. Originating country shall bear the costs of medical treatment and confinement.

18) Children born in the U.S. to border violators, illegal aliens or of foreign nationals in the U.S. for any reason (including temporary visitor, school or work visas,) shall not be eligible for citizenship as circumstances of birth, nor shall the parents or parent’s family members (relatives) be conferred U.S. citizenship as a result of such births.

12 posted on 08/24/2003 6:02:47 AM PDT by Imagine ( A)
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14 posted on 08/24/2003 6:31:42 AM PDT by lainde
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15 posted on 08/24/2003 6:34:09 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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Couldn't we could build one hell of a nice fence along the Mexican border for $7.4 billion dollars?
35 posted on 08/24/2003 9:12:32 AM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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$7.4 billion is not even close when you consider the effects of illegal immigration in California since 1950.

As a consequence of this unregulated immigration approximately 40% of California school age children can trace their heritage to an illegal immigrant.

$30 Billion is closer to the truth.

57 posted on 08/24/2003 9:43:56 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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Thankyu GOP for your open border policy, keep up the good work.
60 posted on 08/24/2003 9:45:02 AM PDT by jpsb
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$7.4 billion a year to "educate" these crimminals? Then why do so few of them speak English?

Solution: End the welfare state, and these people will scurry back home.

66 posted on 08/24/2003 10:02:34 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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The Other Harry

What is truly frightening is that there are many others who have the same opinion, born of economic ignorance, as THO .

THO and his socially liberal brethren simply ignore economic reality when exposing their beliefs and opinions.

Hopefully THO doesn't live in CA.

73 posted on 08/24/2003 10:20:13 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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There is a lie that has been perpetrated by those who support illegal immigration and by the dominant media that you have unwittingly repeated in your article. The author of the WND article stated:

"In the high court's 1982 decision, Plyler v. Doe, justices said in a 5-4 decision the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment forbade public schools from prohibiting any children, regardless of citizenship status, [from obtaining] an education."

This is highly misleading. The Plyler decision was based on the particular facts of that case and it is virtually impossible for the critical facts in that case to be repeated again. Incredible as it sounds, Plyler was based on the fact that, at least according to Justice Brennan, Texas did not introduce any evidence that educating illegals was causing ecomomic harm to the state! Therefore, there is nothing in Plyler that would hold Prop. 187's ban of public education to illegals unconstitutional. When that key section of Prop. 187 was ruled unconstitutional by a single federal district court judge in 1995, only one article was published in the dominant media that explained why she was dead wrong and explained what was actuall held in Plyler. That article was published in the leading newspaper in Los Angeles for the legal community, the Los Angeles Daily Journal. I wrote the op-ed article. You can read it here: http://www.allanfavish.com/pfael187.htm

Regards,

Allan J. Favish
http://www.allanfavish.com

74 posted on 08/24/2003 10:21:59 AM PDT by AJFavish
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The politicians just grin and spout their crap......

The countrys future is in the balance.

81 posted on 08/24/2003 11:32:09 AM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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95 posted on 08/24/2003 2:46:42 PM PDT by lowbridge (Texas Democrats. Saddam. On the lam together.)
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Many Mexican children cross into U.S. from Mexico daily to go to school.

This has got to stop! I am paying for it as a Californian, and I can't do a damn thing about it but vote...Imigration is like a 5th column in the the political game...at least in ca.

To mess with immigration is political suicide. Look at what MeCHA is doing aginst Arnold, and he is pro-immigration (imagine a candidate who isn't)..Oh I forgot, there isn't one. I hope it is not too late...
108 posted on 08/24/2003 10:44:20 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Awareness is what you know before you know anything else.)
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And I say continue taking money from our public schools until we reach the point where we are getting our money's worth. Then when performance improves, we can talk about increasing funding for public education.
127 posted on 08/25/2003 7:36:09 AM PDT by ampat
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Another thing that kills us here in California is insurance. Since people who are here illegally still feel the need to drive, but they can't apply for insurance, they just ignore it, even though it is mandated. 25% of all people on the road in California don't have insurance. It means the rest of us who do pay, pick up their tabs for them.

It is why I am for a massive reform in our insurance/tort policy. If they are not willing/able to stop illegal immigrants from driving, they need to pay for insurance. Do not require mandatory insurance. Instead, 5 cents per gallon at the pump. Everybody needs gas. So they gotta pony up like the rest of us. If you choose to get theft insurance, damage insurance, you can do so. If you don't, you are SOL. You are capped for medical bills, and lost wages, with no pain and suffering. If you can't prove your income, you are SOL. It lowers the insurance on everybody but the freeloaders, pisses off the insurance companies, the trial lawyers... and it will never fly.

135 posted on 08/25/2003 11:33:37 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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The Administrations and the retirements is what is busting the budgets, the illegal aliens are just the icing on the fat cake of bloaded waste that the fat liberals stick the greasy Nazi paws into.... look to the administration buildings and state bodies to find the real criminals in the educational system.
151 posted on 08/25/2003 12:40:24 PM PDT by Porterville (If your liberal, you are evil, and you will go to hell)
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