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Illegals busting education budget
WND ^ | 8-24-03 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 08/24/2003 3:58:57 AM PDT by JustPiper

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To: txdoda
I nominate Invaders=Illegal Mexicans for the Freeper dictionary!
121 posted on 08/25/2003 6:44:41 AM PDT by JustPiper (The Free Republic of America! "W" is our President !!!)
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To: Pro-Bush
PB I think taking a page from the protest groups protecting our ten commandments is a good model to follow. Californians, rise up!
122 posted on 08/25/2003 6:46:41 AM PDT by JustPiper (The Free Republic of America! "W" is our President !!!)
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To: jonalvy44; All
Jon thank you very much! Heads up Freepers, here' your chance!

Monday, Aug. 25, 2003
Bi-partisan bill to reduce illegal immigration introduced Reps. Charlie Norwood (R-GA), Nathan Deal (R-GA), Melissa Hart (R-PA) and Allen Boyd (D-FL) have introduced H.R. 2671, the CLEAR Act of 2003 to not only stop the illegal population in the U.S. from growing above its present estimated 10-million level but also begin slowly and steadily reducing the illegal population.
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Tancredo Introduces Mass Immigration Reduction Act
Sets Realistic Cap on the Number of Immigrants Allowed to Enter the U.S. ; Legislation Based on Recommendation by the Jordan Commission
From the Office of Congressman Tom Tancredo
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 27, 2003
WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo (R-CO), Chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, introduced the Mass Immigration Reduction Act of 2003 or H.R. 946, legislation to limit the number and category of immigrants allowed to enter the country each year. Specifically, the bill establishes a "timeout" that will allow the federal government to control both mass immigration and border security.

“The age of mass immigration began in 1965, with legislation that dramatically increased the number of immigrants allowed into America each year,” said Tancredo. “As a nation of immigrants, each of us can trace our roots to another country, but it is not correct to argue that today's immigration level is comparable to traditional levels.”

Between 1800 and 1965, the annual number of people admitted as immigrants averaged about 200,000. Since 1990, that number has been over ONE MILLION - and that doesn't count illegal immigrants. Additionally, over 30 million people have been added to our population since 1970 as a result of both legal and illegal immigration. The Census Bureau projects that U.S. population will hit 404 million by 2050 and 571 million by 2100.

The U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform, commonly known as the Jordan Commission, for Representative Barbara Jordan, recommended a substantial reduction in annual legal immigration flows into the country. The commission recommended an immediate reduction in the amount of people permitted to enter the country each year. Unfortunately, the Congress did not pay heed to the recommendations of the late civil-rights hero, and the nation is beginning to see the consequences.

Current co-sponsors of H.R. 946 include Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX), Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), Rep. Charlie Norwood (R-GA), Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA), Rep. Jim Duncan (R-TN), and Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA).

123 posted on 08/25/2003 6:57:13 AM PDT by JustPiper (The Free Republic of America! "W" is our President !!!)
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To: jonalvy44; All

One trumpeted goal of the 1996 welfare reform: reducing the scandal of immigrant welfare dependency. Didn't work. . . .

Nevertheless, the 2000 Census shows that immigrants continue to receive every major welfare program at higher rates than native-born Americans.

To read it all!
Immigrant Welfare Scandal Continues-By Ed Rubenstein

124 posted on 08/25/2003 7:02:59 AM PDT by JustPiper (The Free Republic of America! "W" is our President !!!)
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To: FITZ
Don't forget to get your pager and cell phone, throaways! This is how they avoid capture dealing!
125 posted on 08/25/2003 7:04:32 AM PDT by JustPiper (The Free Republic of America! "W" is our President !!!)
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To: sangoo


Rep. Tancredo Homepage

Posted July 30, 2003
By Paula R. Kaufman
Thomas Tancredo is a third-term Republican congressman from Colorado. As chairman of the 65-member Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus he deals regularly with such facts as these:
More than 33.1 million immigrants live in the United States, a number unprecedented in U.S. history. Poverty rates for immigrants and their U.S.-born children are two-thirds higher than for native-born Americans and their children and account for approximately 25 percent of those now living in poverty in this country. Twenty-four of the southernmost U.S. states have accrued almost $1 billion in unpaid medical care - all attributed to illegal immigration.

Tancredo worries about the innumerable U.S. jobs he says have been wiped out by immigration. He outspokenly faults the Bush administration for its open-border policy, which Tancredo believes not only has put Americans out of work but also suppressed their wages.

"I speak to people who lose their jobs to immigration: electricians, carpenters, high-tech workers. They call my office all the time. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs to immigrants, both legal and illegal," Tancredo tells Insight.

He likewise is concerned about the number of people - between 6 million and 10 million - in the United States with dual citizenship. What does this mean for America's sovereignty and the future of the country? Tancredo is not alone in his concern: Polls show that 75 percent of Americans support immigration reform.

Tancredo also blames the immigration crisis on the "liberal agenda," which he sees as encouraging immigrants to retain their language and their political allegiance to a foreign government while seeing themselves as separate and distinct from other Americans. It's a situation, he says, created by the liberal "cult of multiculturalism."

Tancredo warns about what he sees as the continuing encroachment of Mexico in the affairs of the United States. He regards the controversial matricula consular, an identification card issued by Mexico, as an effort to regularize illegal immigration into the United States.

He points out that the suspected murderer of Los Angeles County Deputy Sheriff David March, arrested and deported not once but three times, lives openly in Mexico and has not been arrested by Mexican officials. The Colorado congressman seeks changes in the U.S. extradition treaty with Mexico and is considering calling for congressional-oversight hearings on the influence of Mexican cartels on U.S. politics.

What guides Tancredo's attitude toward immigration, he says, is a principle as old as the republic itself - that "we are a nation bonded by a common language, culture, manners and customs."

Insight: The U.S. economy is in a slump and Americans by the millions are out of work, yet the wholesale replacement of our workers by immigrants is under way. What gives?

Rep. Thomas Tancredo: We have a cheap-labor policy. This government has determined that part of its economic policy is to undermine the value of American jobs. We have record-high unemployment rates. We have a stagnating economy. Yet this administration refuses to take any action to reduce the number of immigrants who are coming into the country [illegally], removing Americans from their jobs and replacing them with cheap labor.

To read the Q & A and more on this hot button issue:
Insight Mag

126 posted on 08/25/2003 7:14:15 AM PDT by JustPiper (The Free Republic of America! "W" is our President !!!)
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To: JustPiper
And I say continue taking money from our public schools until we reach the point where we are getting our money's worth. Then when performance improves, we can talk about increasing funding for public education.
127 posted on 08/25/2003 7:36:09 AM PDT by ampat
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To: JustPiper
I am trying start a movement. And, no, I haven't sent it to Bush -- I'm afraid I'll be raided by the Feds. But, what the hell, I'm an old man and no threat to anybody.
129 posted on 08/25/2003 7:49:12 AM PDT by Imagine ( A)
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To: JustPiper
It's a great site to send many faxes out on this important issue!
130 posted on 08/25/2003 8:28:29 AM PDT by jonalvy44
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To: The Other Harry
Part of the reason that a lot of illegals can undercut everyone else in lawn service and construction is that they take cash and then don't report it.

And I have hired them to do exactly that. - The Other Harry

Uh, Harry, I hate to break the bad news to you but knowingly hiring illegal aliens is punishable by a $5,000 fine plus payment of their back taxes owed. We'll send the IRS right over to your house, OK?

When you hire an illegal alien, you might as well be buying foreign goods and services. A large chunk of their illegally earned, untaxed dollars is put into postal money orders and shipped off to Mexico. This is causing a huge, multi-billion dollar balance-of-payments drain for the United States. That money is also not available to be spent for goods and services in the USA which pay for other American jobs in this country.

What you are doing is no different than buying cheap Chinese goods made by slave child labor.

You're a great guy, Harry,...not! You're a sniveling cheapskate who is part of the problem!!

131 posted on 08/25/2003 8:32:23 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: jonalvy44
Jon, you are one of the top activists here and I jump on whatever you post or send in email ;)
132 posted on 08/25/2003 8:32:42 AM PDT by JustPiper ( "Free Republic" - The Greatest Information Truth Highway on the Internet!)
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To: The Other Harry
Why someone comes here is irrelevant, a red herring. The point is in HOW they come here: legally or illegally. Most of the ancestors you allude to came here legally, having first waited their turn while meeting whatever requirements existed relating to having a job, a place to live, sponsor, and meeting health standards.

So the issue is not immigration; it is legal v. illegal immigration. It is who gets to determine immigration policy -- the potential emigre, or the host country.
133 posted on 08/25/2003 9:03:16 AM PDT by Laur
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To: Laur; The Other Harry
Laur, you have it right, Harry on the other hand is not using his mind, just his heart.

What I don't understand about people who "feel" their way through this problem is how they can ignor the plight of the legal immigrant, waiting for his/her turn at residency in America. The illegal is a line jumper, a claim jumper who deserves much worse than simple deportation. (He is taking the future of another, what is the proper price when you take someone's future?)

And Harry, you moved from Santa Cruz, (a left leaning city) to Virginia. I presume to retire as did I, moving from a largely hispanic Bay Area neighborhood to Alabama. I was frankly happy to leave that neighborhood even though the people were friendly, they did not study in school and called the paramedics for every medical emergency. they lived in squalor, 14 or more to a two bedroom home. They send money back to Mexico instead of bettering their lives here. In no way are they supporting this country. Harry, you would not want them in Virginia-- even if they would mow your lawn for free. this is the tradgedy (of the commons) that people like you feel your personal benefit to outweigh the loss to everyone else in society.

PS, I also prefer the conservative mood of Alabama over the liberal slant of everything in California. How do you find the Virginians Harry?
134 posted on 08/25/2003 11:23:11 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: JustPiper
Another thing that kills us here in California is insurance. Since people who are here illegally still feel the need to drive, but they can't apply for insurance, they just ignore it, even though it is mandated. 25% of all people on the road in California don't have insurance. It means the rest of us who do pay, pick up their tabs for them.

It is why I am for a massive reform in our insurance/tort policy. If they are not willing/able to stop illegal immigrants from driving, they need to pay for insurance. Do not require mandatory insurance. Instead, 5 cents per gallon at the pump. Everybody needs gas. So they gotta pony up like the rest of us. If you choose to get theft insurance, damage insurance, you can do so. If you don't, you are SOL. You are capped for medical bills, and lost wages, with no pain and suffering. If you can't prove your income, you are SOL. It lowers the insurance on everybody but the freeloaders, pisses off the insurance companies, the trial lawyers... and it will never fly.

135 posted on 08/25/2003 11:33:37 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: PRND21
You can tell legal status by sight? Impressive.>>>>>


No you can't tell legal status "by sight"........but you can sure SEE immigrants (Legal ???) that can't speak english with 4/5 kids & another one the way, pay for her CARTFULL of groceries with a welfare card, & then load up in a brand new 'ride'.




136 posted on 08/25/2003 11:56:52 AM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: JustPiper
Sounds like our President is going to have a dismal reelection? >>>>>>

After 9-11, I've decided, ANYONE who wants my vote better be ready to do whatever it take to stop the invasion of our country by the illegals, and ENFORCE our immigration laws.
137 posted on 08/25/2003 12:02:32 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: JustPiper
The welfare Moms have the best clothes, hair, vehicles ....>>>>>>>


NO welfare, Aid for dependants checks, should be issued to any mom, until she ups the name of dad. Then the state could help mom track the dad for child support. With DNA "dads" can easily be proven (or not).

138 posted on 08/25/2003 12:10:21 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: KC_for_Freedom
How do you find the Virginians Harry?

I snipped almost all your message. But I do agree with just about everything you said.

I like it here. It does get a bit hot in summer. On the other hand, we have great nature and the political climate is much more to my liking than that of Santa Cruz. You can also afford to buy a house here. I paid $92,000 for a house that would have cost me well over $400,000 in Santa Cruz. It needs some work, but I'm getting there.

As to the immigrants, I have often wondered whether something like temporary worker passes might not be a bad idea. We used to have those.

There are a lot of problems. I know about them. But I think they can be fixed. Number 1 on my list would be to require English to be learned and spoken. I think speaking any other language should be prohibited.

You are right about line jumping. I was married to a New Zealander, and we tried to comply with the laws. It was not easy, and we went to a lot of trouble to do it.

Still, "those people" do work hard. I would see them in the fields when I was driving to Sunday brunch, stooped over, picking. Not the easiest of jobs. Not something either of my kids would ever do.

I once wanted a juniper plant removed. I don't know how much you know about juniper plants, but they have very deep roots. They are an absolute bitch to remove. I couldn't do it myself. I tried.

So, I drove down to KMart and hired a couple of the day laborers who hang around out in the front. Two hours and $40 later, the bush was gone. A perfect job.

Now, let's say $10 of that $40 went to buy quart bottles of cervaza. Another $5 went to buy gas for their beat up old car. $5 went to pay rent. The remaining $20 got sent back to Mexico.

There is no harm in any of that. Every dollar that gets sent to Mexico winds up back here. Taxes are ultimately paid on everything. And my juniper bush was gone.

You think I could have hired a couple local school kids to do that job? I could have hired a contractor for $500, but I would not have done that.

You go look in the produce section of your local market and think about this. If there were no illegal immigrants, there would be no produce section.

139 posted on 08/25/2003 12:16:10 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: txdoda
If you have a problem with legal immigrants driving nice cars, tough.
If you have a problem with their welfare cards, vote Arnold.
140 posted on 08/25/2003 12:16:57 PM PDT by PRND21
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