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Illegals busting education budget
WND ^ | 8-24-03 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 08/24/2003 3:58:57 AM PDT by JustPiper

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To: FITZ
This does sum it up well --- $0 for income taxes, $0 for school property taxes even with the 8 kids attending the school each year, $0 for health insurance, $0 for car insurance, $0 for the county hospitals and medical clinics, $0 for food.

$3.50. You'll be fine. Ignorance is bliss.

241 posted on 08/27/2003 10:45:50 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Where you going to run to next?

Thanks for research Joe. It's an awfully big state and those are still pretty small numbers compared to here. I would imagine that most of those numbers come from a the more agricultural south. Doesen't matter though. There was a lot of thought going into our decision...and that was only a small part of it. Other than nice weather there really is nothing here that I like. Don't forget about the crowds everywhere you go around here, and the traffic that can waste hours a day.

242 posted on 08/27/2003 10:51:56 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Where you going to run to next?

Thanks for research Joe. It's an awfully big state and those are still pretty small numbers compared to here. I would imagine that most of those numbers come from a the more agricultural south. Doesen't matter though. There was a lot of thought going into our decision...and that was only a small part of it. Other than nice weather there really is nothing here that I like. Don't forget about the crowds everywhere you go around here, and the traffic that can waste hours a day.

243 posted on 08/27/2003 10:53:00 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: Myrddin
I just want to thank you you for your very thoughtful reply to my post. We may not agree on everything, but that is okay. At least you think. I try to think also. I don't always get it, but I try to.
244 posted on 08/27/2003 10:54:29 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: sangoo
The 33% jump in illegal aliens over those four years was exceeded by only 6 states.

And it will only escalate. Sorry to rain on your parade.

245 posted on 08/27/2003 10:59:05 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: sangoo
Idaho (northern) will most likely be our next move as well. And I agree most of the Illegals are in the south.

Big difference is the general attitude about tolerating their presence is VERY different than the liberal CA, OR, WA red carpet treatment.
246 posted on 08/27/2003 11:00:03 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: JustPiper
The main article post talks about state cutting education budgets left and right. They must not be looking at Idaho. The Idaho Education Association has the politicians by the gonads. They ALWAYS get increases. This year, the income and property taxes just weren't enough. They forced the sales tax up from 5% to 6%. The schools are still producing a poor product at a higher cost each year. Idaho doesn't have a big impact from illegals (yet), but education sucks 70% of the state budget.

It is a travesty that government is even involved in dispensing taxpayer money to pay for medical services for ANYONE. Paying for criminals who have crossed illegally into our country really takes the cake. If we can't legally prevent illegals from partaking of our schools and medical care, then the only hope is to lock up the border to reduce the ever increasing burden they place on the taxpayers.

247 posted on 08/27/2003 11:10:37 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Sorry to rain on your parade.

You haven't rained on anyones parade, Joe. Maybe you ought to get out more...take a drive around other areas. You will see, once you get out of California, what a nice place America still is. It will open your eyes. The western states are very attractive living areas as a whole (leave out some of the big cities) and the people are great. At least that's how I see it. Maybe you are happy living in Southern California. Maybe it's your kind of place. Thats fine with me.

248 posted on 08/27/2003 11:14:24 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: sangoo
You will see, once you get out of California, what a nice place America still is.

You are not paying attention my friend.

____________________________________________________________ Immigrants Enter Country through 'Gateway' States Before Moving Inland, Census Bureau Says releases.usnewswire.com ^

WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 /U.S. Newswire/ -- About 60 percent of the 5.6 million foreign-born population who moved to the United States between 1995 and 2000 entered the country through six "gateway" states (California, New York, Texas, Florida, Illinois and New Jersey), an analysis of Census 2000 data shows.

At the same time, three of the gateway states New York, California and Illinois had considerable net out-migration of their foreign-born populations to other states between 1995 and 2000.

New Jersey was the only gateway state to have net out-migration of natives but net in-migration of foreign-born people.

"One of the major findings of Census 2000 was the overall size of the foreign-born population and its presence in areas outside the traditional immigration gateways such as California, New York and Texas," said Census Bureau Director Louis Kincannon. "Like the Westward migration of immigrants in centuries past, their movements remind us that opportunities abound throughout our country." Among the biggest beneficiaries of secondary migration, i.e., foreign-born migrants from other states, were North Carolina (76,000) and Nevada (73,000). Nevada had more foreign-born migrants from other states than it did from abroad.

The new Census Bureau report, Migration of Natives and the Foreign Born: 1995 to 2000, examined Census 2000 data to compare migration patterns for natives (people born in the United States) with people born abroad. Among the report's findings:

-- Domestic migration patterns of foreign-born and native migrants were similar, with common destinations.

-- Between 1995 and 2000, California's net out-migration rate to other states for its foreign-born people (30.4 people lost per 1,000 foreign-born residents in 1995) was higher than its net out-migration rate for natives (22.6 people lost per 1,000 native residents in 1995).

-- California was responsible for most foreign-born migrants to Georgia, with 19,000 making the cross-country move during the five-year period.

-- Nevada had the highest net migration rate of foreign-born migrants from other states, gaining 276 people for every 1,000 foreign-born residents in 1995, while Florida had the largest net migration gain of foreign-born migrants from other states: 89,000.

-- Some states and counties in the Midwest had net domestic out-migration of natives but net domestic in-migration of the foreign-born population. For example, Nebraska and Kansas had native net out-migration rates of 13.1 and 5.2, but foreign-born net in-migration rates of 101.0 and 47.6, respectively.

The report and supplementary data tables, as well as previously published migration reports, are available on the Internet at http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/migration.html.

249 posted on 08/27/2003 11:38:20 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Joe, really you need to get out and look around. You can talk about migration rates, but when you visit other states you will see that the high rate of migration doesn't translate to huge amounts of people in other areas. These foreign born migrants are not clogging up the system in most other areas. Really, if you get a chance to get out more you will actually see what's going on. Leave your statistics at home. Perhaps you really want to leave too, but can't, so have convinced yourself through statistics that things are just as bad elsewhere.
250 posted on 08/27/2003 11:57:09 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: sangoo
LOL, you ignore the facts and keep your head in the sand.

Personally I've be to over 40 states, all over Idaho, almost bought property in in Sand Point, and in Meridian near Boise about 6 years ago. And we have a relative that teaches in Moscow ID at the college there. But after going up in the winter we decided it was *WAY* to cold for us. I can't stand driving on icy roads and dealing with snow and cold. Been there done that, never again!

As you get older, you will see how much you like the cold climate, especially in northern Idaho.

We are fortunate, we live in a *very* nice area of S. Cal and also have another place in Cal that's quite rural, at about the 7200 foot level, knockout views, with a 400 foot dirt road driveway and closest neighbor is about a quarter mile away. Snow if we want it in the winter, yet were able drive a short distance in winter and go pick oranges and avocados off our trees and barbeque while wearing shorts in the dead of winter. I have been to more places than most folks have ever heard of, including six different countries. Different strokes for different folks....

Take care and good luck in ID.

251 posted on 08/27/2003 12:17:50 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
We are fortunate, we live in a *very* nice area of S. Cal and also have another place in Cal that's quite rural, at about the 7200 foot level, knockout views, with a 400 foot dirt road driveway and closest neighbor is about a quarter mile away.

Sounds pretty good to me. Best wishes to you too!

252 posted on 08/27/2003 12:38:53 PM PDT by sangoo
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To: sangoo
You will see, once you get out of California, what a nice place America still is. It will open your eyes.

Not very long ago California was considered THE place to be --- it was a very nice place --- all that has changed in just little more than a decade. It won't take long for the other states either --- there are millions more on their way --- immigration from Brazil is just heating up ---- there are an awfully lot of poverty-stricken people in Brazil and still millions left in Mexico and Guatemala.

253 posted on 08/27/2003 4:22:46 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: PRND21
When Cruz is elected governor of California, English will become the '2nd Language'. And then it will be eradicated. Watch.
254 posted on 09/02/2003 5:10:23 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Demand equal rights to vandalism for all vehicle types!)
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To: TaxRelief
Well the streets and town names are already mostly Spanish...;)
255 posted on 09/02/2003 5:35:11 PM PDT by PRND21
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