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United States v Roy Moore: The Most Important States' Rights Case in Decades
PatriotPetitions.US/Federalist.com ^ | 8-15-03

Posted on 08/15/2003 4:06:45 PM PDT by cpforlife.org

An Open Letter in Support of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's Defense of the Most Important Religious Liberty and States' Rights Test Case in Decades

(Please forward this important message to friends, family members, and fellow American Patriots)

A monument of the Ten Commandments placed in the rotunda of Alabama's Supreme Court building by Chief Justice Roy Moore, is the front line of the war over the First, Ninth and Tenth Amendment restrictions on the central government by our Constitution's Bill of Rights. Ordered by a federal court to remove the monument by August 20, Justice Moore has been warned by U.S. District and Appellate Courts that his states' rights argument will not be tolerated.

Judge Moore, of course, is rightly defending the original intent of the Founders, who drafted and approved the Bill of Rights, against erroneous interpretation by an activist Leftjudiciary, even as he prepares his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. This case is a major test case for states' rights and the so-called church-state "separation clause," and ultimately will determine the fundamental nature of government and the Constitution. To assess the importance of this case, consider this evaluation from 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Ed Carnes, who ruled against Chief Justice Moore: "If Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's Ten Commandments monument were allowed to stand, it would mean a massive revision of how the courts have interpreted the First Amendment for years." Indeed, it would.

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"The States supposed that by their tenth amendment, they had secured themselves against constructive powers." --Thomas Jefferson


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To: fr_freak
I am certain he did not object, but in fact even encouraged, incorporations of Christianity in the school, little things such as starting the day with a prayer or having the Ten Commandments displayed on the wall.

Maybe, maybe not. He often said one thing & did another.

What is fact is that he personally did not believe in the divinity of Christ & did not believe in the Virgin Birth. He went so far as to write his own Bible removing all references to miracles, etc that he considered supernatural. He was also apparently a big fan of Unitarianism, although he wasn't one himself (contrary to what some claim).

41 posted on 08/15/2003 6:12:40 PM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani
"We...took our horses to the meeting in the afternoon and heard the minister again upon "Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you." There is great pleasure in hearing sermons so serious, so clear, so sensible and instructive as these ...."
John Adams

42 posted on 08/15/2003 6:16:39 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Catspaw
Not dem Joooooooooooos agin'....city slicker, Jew loving supportin' ACLU atheists who hate baby Jesus, or something along those pithy lines.Tell me it isn't that predictable ;-)
43 posted on 08/15/2003 6:16:59 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: gdani
"A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian; that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

"I have always said, I always will say, that the studious perusal of the sacred volume will make better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands."

Thomas Jefferson


44 posted on 08/15/2003 6:19:13 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: habs4ever
Not dem Joooooooooooos agin'....city slicker, Jew loving supportin' ACLU atheists who hate baby Jesus, or something along those pithy lines.Tell me it isn't that predictable ;-)

That kinda knocks the "Judeo" out of "Judeo-Christian," doesn't it?

45 posted on 08/15/2003 6:20:12 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: .30Carbine
"If thou wouldst rule well, thou must rule for God, and to do that, thou must be ruled by him....Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
William Penn

Quoting William Penn too? He set up Pennsylvania as a haven for Quakers who were being oppressed by other denominations of Christianity. He was even imprisoned for writing pamphlets advocating religious freedom (there were those who thought he was violating the Scriptures).

On the flip side, Penn's "The Charter of Privileges of 1701" mandated a belief in Christ to hold office & outlawed swearing, drinking, playing cards & dice, stage plays, the wearing of masks & other practices -- apparently to show that he certainly didn't believe in a smaller, less intrusive government.

46 posted on 08/15/2003 6:21:41 PM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani
"I never ... believed there was one code of morality for a public and another for a private man."
Thomas Jefferson,letter to Don Valentine de Feronda, 1809

47 posted on 08/15/2003 6:22:05 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
What part of "establish" don't you understand?

$125,000,000.00 of Alabama taxpayer money went to pay for legal expenses and "consultants", all so Roy Moore could do a fundraising stunt for his televangelist buddies at Coral Ridge (affiliated with Paul and Jan Crouch). Who did it go to? On what? Who was controlling the invoices? Are a bunch of cracker lawyers and preacher types living an extravagant lifestyle courtesy of the taxpayers of Alabama?


First of all: cracker lawyers? WTF?

Second, your argument here is not actually against the display of the Ten Commandments, but against any public monuments in general, to include statues, memorials, or any works of "art" displayed on public grounds. Money is spent on those things routinely, so you cannot object to the Ten Commandments monument without objecting to all of them, unless you admit that you object to this specific monument only becuase it has religious implications, in which case you're just using the pretense of taxpayer outrage to promote your bias against religious belief.

Yes, much money has been spent on this legal battle, but before you go criticizing these "crackers" for that expenditure, you should remember that this money would not have had to be spent if the federal judiciary did not insist on overstepping its boundaries and infringing on the rights of the state of Alabama to decide its own affairs. There is nothing in the First Amendment that forbids this display. The First Amendment is about freedom, not about restriction. It means that if a local community wants to display religious symbols, it can and the federal government is forbidden to stop them. Remember:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

People always want to see the first part but not the second. Since the money spent by Alabama in this case was for the purpose of defending our constitutional rights and the rights of states, I consider it money well spent. If Moore is grandstanding just to make this a public fight, then more power to him; it's about time we had it out. God bless Judge Moore.
48 posted on 08/15/2003 6:24:45 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: gdani
"Man, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator, for he is entirely a dependent being....And, consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his Maker's will...this will of his Maker is called the law of nature. These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil...This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this...."

Sir William Blackstone
(Blackstone's Commentaries on the Law was the recognized authority on the law for well over a century after 1776)

49 posted on 08/15/2003 6:25:50 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: gdani
From the Jefferson Memorial walls:
God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties ar the gift of God?

Whatever Jefferson may have believed about who should pay for education, he most certainly was in favor of remembering and honoring God in the public sphere, as the source of our rights.
50 posted on 08/15/2003 6:27:16 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Catspaw
Would it fair minded to say that judge Roy Moore has a very narrow interpretation of who shall be entitled to benefit from this exercise of judicial activism?

In fact, would there be any point to it if it wasn't so narrowly focused and exclusive?
51 posted on 08/15/2003 6:29:09 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: cpforlife.org
bump
52 posted on 08/15/2003 6:32:22 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: habs4ever
It's his interpretation of the law. Unfortunately, he's not the federal judge assigned to this case, nor the 11th circuit court of appeals, and they've ruled against him. I found, reading the first decision in this case, Moore relied on his own dissent in an Alabama Supreme Court case in his deposition and testimony. That's rather circular.

And despite having the district court judge and the 11th circuit court of appeals rule against his arguments, he's still insisting that his interpretation of the law correct, he's still making the same arguments--even though he's been told by two other courts that he's wrong. It's as though, despite losing in the courts, he's now turned to the court of public opinion rather than a court of law.

53 posted on 08/15/2003 6:35:30 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: gdani; .30Carbine; cake_crumb
On the Importance of Morality and Religion in Government:

[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion....Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments. (Source: Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.)

[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. Source: Benjamin Franklin, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore and Mason, 1840), Vol. X, p. 297, April 17, 1787.

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? (Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)

God Save The Republic

54 posted on 08/15/2003 6:39:19 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, a LIAR and MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: .30Carbine
"A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian; that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

That above quote is from Jefferson's "A Real Christian" letter from Jefferson to Charles Thomson from 1/9/1816.

You do realize that the "precious morsel of ethics" referenced was Jefferson's "Philopsophy of Jesus" -- a book he made by cutting out all sections of the Bible except those considered Jesus' own words? Done because he didn't believe in Jesus as the son of God but as the finest moralist in history? For reasons such as this, Jefferson was villified by others for considering himself a Christian.

I can't do anymore homework for you. I have things to do.

55 posted on 08/15/2003 6:40:04 PM PDT by gdani
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To: Catspaw
He has the makings of becoming a martyr for the cause of...fundraising ;-)Moore knows his theatre.Your last line describes the tactics, and is a typical refuge, for media whores who have rolled the dice and lost yet expect others to pick up the costs.
56 posted on 08/15/2003 6:41:52 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Coral Ridge is a Presbyterian Church in Ft. Lauderdale, FL, in no way affiliated with Pentacostals Paul and Jan Crouch.

I simply do not believe that 125 MILLION dollars has been spent on this by Roy Moore or consultants. What is your source on that?

Moore is not congress, and he isn't esablishing a religion either....

What part of the 10th Ammendment do you not understand?
57 posted on 08/15/2003 6:43:21 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: gdani
It's my understanding that Jefferson's "Philosophy of Jesus" was undertaken in order to make a book just of Jesus moral teaching, acceptable to the Indians in the frontier. Jefferson never claimed it was the Bible or that he was saying all that can be said about Christ.

A commentary say, on the Sermon on the Mount would do the same thing... in a limited way. I think Jefferson has gotten a bum rap then and now over the "Philosophy of Jesus."
58 posted on 08/15/2003 6:49:48 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: gdani
"2) who delighted in saying what their constituents wanted to hear because their primary focus was on retaining power."

Regardless of how we conjecture WHY someone - particularly a dead someone who cannot correct us if our conjecture is wrong - made a statement which was recorded, they still said it. On the record. For prosperity.

Copying and pasting quotes is as great a thing as the Internet. After we look up the relavant recorded quotes, we copy and paste them so as not to get the wuote wrong.

59 posted on 08/15/2003 6:50:57 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: AnalogReigns
To say that D. James Kennedy and Paul and Jan Crouch are in no way affiliated is a real understatement. There is so much distance between them theologically that they're not even on the same planet. To try and tie them together is more than a reach.
60 posted on 08/15/2003 6:51:21 PM PDT by bereanway
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