United States v Roy Moore: The Most Important States' Rights Case in Decades

PatriotPetitions.US/Federalist.com ^ | 8-15-03

[gdani]

What part of the 10th Ammendment do you not understand?

I am certainly sympathetic to states' rights as I loath such a huge federal government.

But are you such a strong advocate for states' rights when it comes to:
* Medicinal marijuana
* Assisted suicide laws
* If/when a state passes a law allowing gay marriage?

Those, too, are states' rights issues.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

ACLU.

[Lurkd Long Enough]

Funny, my first post on FR because I feel so strongly about is. I actually read the opinion of the court, and Moore's defense was laughable! I urge you to read the opinion of the court on this case.

[hocndoc]

I don't think that the Judge has shown any narrowness of mind. The monument not only contains the Commandments, but portions of the Alabama and US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. It is clearly a monument to the history of Alabama law.

The Federal Government has no place in deciding what the people of Alabama may or may not honor or remember. Since the monument was a gift to the State, the ACLU is totally responsible for any cost to the State in defending Alabama's right to freedom to express the will of her people.

Leftists and atheists will only stop at total surrender to their will. Compromise is not in these people's vocabulary, unless "compromise" is defined as capitulation.

[Lurkd Long Enough]

But that's not what this case is about

[cpforlife.org]

FYI This person below shows his true self in his tag-line from this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/960579/posts

He is an anti-freeper, he incites trouble on a regular basis for fun. IMO he should be ignored but kept around so we won't forget what the fight is about!

33 posted on 08/08/2003 10:30 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......)
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[At _War_With_Liberals]

"Seriously, because they've set themselves up as the American version of the hizbah, the Muslim morality police who are responsible for enforcing the rules laid down by the mullahs mandating how and what we are allowed to think, feel and do 24/7."

Yep. Using the power of the state to enforce it...

[Nate9k9]

What goes round comes round. The issue is about constitutional rights and states rights. Does the federal government, in this case federal courts, have the authority to over ride the constitution of a state. Judge Moore says no. I say no. It will be a very sad thing if the Supreme Court again disregards their mandate, the interp of the constitution, and rules on how they think things should be. It will be time to look for a different place to live.

[daveoverpar]

'displays that are meaningless'. If that's the case what is your problem?

[cake_crumb]

"[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion....Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

All we have to do is look around us to see how right he was. The alternative to stripping away our morality and encouraging unbridled passion is a totalitarian regime that regulates every area of our lives because we'll have allowed ourselves to be stripped of the ability to control our own behavior.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Coral Ridge is a Presbyterian Church in Ft. Lauderdale, FL, in no way affiliated with Pentacostals Paul and Jan Crouch.

Really?

Tell TBN, which broadcasts Kennedy

Tell Hank Hanegraaf

I simply do not believe that 125 MILLION dollars has been spent on this by Roy Moore or consultants. What is your source on that? Roy Moore. He's either telling a lie to bump the Coral Ridge contributions, or he really caused it to get spent to unknown lawyers and "experts". Heres the thread.

[cake_crumb]

"But that's not what this case is about"

Isn't it? Sure looks like it is to me.

[cake_crumb]

"Killing FR and driving away the base since 2000......"

Has a high opinion of him/herself, doesn't he/she?

[Lurkd Long Enough]

Have you read the findings of the court? It's not as simple as you have made it out to be

[cake_crumb]

"Yep. Using the power of the state to enforce it..."

...And people wonder why so many of us are fighting back.

[Dog Gone]

I'm a conservative, believe strongly in the Constitution, have extensive post-graduate study of it, and I think Judge Moore is wrong.

Reasonable people can differ, and I believe I understand all the arguments that have been made.

When an Islamic judge in America puts up a monument to the Koran in your courthouse, I want you to defend that, too.

[gdani]

It's my understanding that Jefferson's "Philosophy of Jesus" was undertaken in order to make a book just of Jesus moral teaching, acceptable to the Indians in the frontier. Jefferson never claimed it was the Bible or that he was saying all that can be said about Christ.

I've never understood it to be meant for the Indians but rather for himself -- Not that it wasn't for that purpose but I understand the letter, in context, to be about Jefferson using the Philosophy of Jesus for his own studying purposes & I know that it was also the foundation for his future "Jefferson Bible"

[bereanway]

"When an Islamic judge in America puts up a monument to the Koran in your courthouse, I want you to defend that, too."

The Quran doesn't have a lot to do with western thought in general and American history in particular. It would be much more appropriate in say Riyadh.

[Lurkd Long Enough]

"When an Islamic judge in America puts up a monument to the Koran in your courthouse, I want you to defend that, too. "

That's what this ultimately boils down to. Supposing that Judge Moore prevails in a case before the Supreme court - then the door is opened to any kind of expression that a judge wants to put in a courthouse. Insert any objectionable but fully recognizable religion here.

People think this is about icons of Christianity under assault, but it is not. I despise Judge Moore for this - and I believe he's doing it just for the attention and the money for the "ministry"

[cake_crumb]

"Have you read the findings of the court? It's not as simple as you have made it out to be"

No I haven't, but I will. It'll have to be tomorrow though. I'm not sure how simple I've made it out to be.

I've heard descriptions of the monument. I'm looking at photos of it now. Whatever his reasons for making this case, the outcome has national repercussions. If the SCOTUS rules against Moore, it may affect other courts which have successfully defended their own monuments which contain the Ten Commandments. It may indeed adversely affect state's rights to follow their own constitutions and determine what contributes to or takes away from the common good of their citizens.

This isn't Moore's first fight for the Ten Commandments. He was unsuccessfully sued by the ACLU for having a small plaque in his office. No decision was returned.

Has the memorial to Dr. King been erected yet? Someone was going to display his most famous speech beside the Ten Commandments memorial. I haven't heard any more about that.