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The Culture War is Over. Is It Still Worth Fighting?
SharpInk.net ^ | 7-31-03 | E. Andrew Eccleston

Posted on 07/31/2003 1:02:55 PM PDT by sharpink

The Culture War is Over. Is It Still Worth Fighting? --------------------------------------------------------

By E. Andrew Eccleston

The culture war is over. Those who are among the cultural conservatives have lost. The evidence is everywhere not only has traditional morality been defeated it has been driven out of the public square.

Bush nominee William Pryor Jr. and Alabama Attorney General faces opposition and most probably a filibuster in the Senate for his Orthodox Catholic beliefs. The Supreme Court in the recent Lawrence vs Texas has swept away state sodomy laws. Emboldened by this victory cultural liberals have set their eyes on gay marriage and the military’s “don’t ask don’t tell policy” as their next prize.

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Am I way off base or am I right here.
1 posted on 07/31/2003 1:02:55 PM PDT by sharpink
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To: sharpink
It is not lost, it only seems lost because of the corrupt media and pols who are always in the gutter. Most people I know are sick of this gay nonsense. It is a bunch of crap.
2 posted on 07/31/2003 1:06:33 PM PDT by chris1
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To: sharpink
Lost? Of course. It was lost as soon as the Democrats and their allies in the media abandoned any pretence to decency and instead made homosexuality and abortion into sacraments.
3 posted on 07/31/2003 1:12:37 PM PDT by Steely Glint ("Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable..." - G. Orwell)
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To: sharpink
I strongly disagree - but do not have time right now to comment (I am at work)
4 posted on 07/31/2003 1:13:38 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: sharpink
The loss of truth (and the will to follow after righteousness) happpened many, many millenia ago. But that doesn't mean we stop standing for what is right. And, in the end, Truth wins.

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me." - Jesus, the Christ

5 posted on 07/31/2003 1:16:04 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: sharpink
As Rome goes, so does the Republic.
6 posted on 07/31/2003 1:17:12 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: sharpink
I think it is (temporarily) lost, and agree with the idea of separate institutions for (I will call them) defenders of the Constitution. I really think that the lack of simple good manners, and a lack of gracious speaking has done more to erode our way of life than anything else.
7 posted on 07/31/2003 1:19:25 PM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: sharpink
Never give up, never surrender!
8 posted on 07/31/2003 1:20:58 PM PDT by grobdriver
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To: sharpink
I think "lost" is wrong. You don't lose until you give up. One election can change everything. We who believe in moral truth must speak up louder and more forcefully and demand our elected reflect our ideals.

When the Nazis demanded that General McAuliffe (of the Battling Bastards of Bastogne) surrender during the Battle of the Bulge his one word answer to them was "Nuts!". Despite being totally surrounded, low on supplies and food, and freezing, they held off the Germans and were rescued by General George Pattion's Third Army.

So I say to the Libs...Nuts!!

9 posted on 07/31/2003 1:23:03 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("When do I get to lift my leg on the liberal?")
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To: sharpink
I really, really want to disagree with you. But I'm having trouble coming up with the rebuttal. Depressing.
10 posted on 07/31/2003 1:24:38 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: sharpink
Actually, you are way off base.

Strong strong undercurrent blasting away at the permissiveness.

These years will make the '60s look like the '50s in cultural revolution.

But it was expected. Conservatives can't take credit for it - it is an historical cycle.
11 posted on 07/31/2003 1:26:56 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: anniegetyourgun
>>"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me." - Jesus, the Christ<<

Yes indeed, they may win battles but they will surely lose the war.

Muleteam1

12 posted on 07/31/2003 1:27:53 PM PDT by Muleteam1 (elves.)
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To: sharpink
...is the culture war still worth fighting?

Of course...it is the 'good' fight and has been going on thousands of years. What we need is a Resistance movement that stays on the moral high ground despite who the enemy is this time.

History has belonged more often to the tyrant, the perverted and profane, and to the Godless - the good and the moral people have to fight and keep the faith; no matter what the odds look like.

13 posted on 07/31/2003 1:28:29 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If we an keep it!)
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To: sharpink
I can't be. RUSHBO has been saying for years now that we are becoming more conservative. You voted in a conservative president, right? One that was going to bring all of those conservative judges, right? And ACTIONS WERE TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES. So the Klintoons would be brought to justice, right? Instead of looking into their eyes & declaring them evil, GW looked into the eyes of Putin & saw no evil, saw a man he could work with, while they kept building up their missle program & YOU dear taxpayer handed them YOUR hard taxed money. All while you let GW fight for the saying that "Islam is a peaceful religion" but let the commies in the "Two-Party Cartel" rip apart Christianity & Catholics. But so what. Your stock is up 10% but your buying power is down 25% & you are paying 1.29 BILLION per day on just interst on the debt.
14 posted on 07/31/2003 1:34:40 PM PDT by Digger
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To: mabelkitty
I agree. There is a shift in this country now, towards more conservative values. And I think it is cyclical thing too.

OTOH, I think everyone got feed up with the PC-crap and having to accept people when they didn't agree with their value system.

It's like someone just snapped their fingers and said "Hey, you don't have to accept gay marriages/deviancy/the"new family"/abortions/excrement for art, stand up and say something!!"

The values have always been there, but we were shamed into hiding them.


Does any of that make sense?
15 posted on 07/31/2003 1:40:05 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: LiteKeeper
I have to agree with you. Lost? No way, some of the more faint of heart have simply surrendered.
16 posted on 07/31/2003 1:41:14 PM PDT by CWOJackson (Check your Freep-Mail but don't slash your wrists after reading it.)
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To: sharpink
The problem now is that many people make the assumption that if something is NOT CRIMINAL then it is NOT IMMORAL and therefore should become LEGAL and by natural extension becomes MORAL.

This is a classic case of flawed logic that is used too often.

At the end of the day - most of ours laws are based on a MORAL vrs. IMMORAL code that is rooted in religious beliefs. If laws and rights are not based in a large part on religion - which results in an unquestionable legitimacy, all laws and rights would flow from only the opinion of only the most powerful. �

17 posted on 07/31/2003 1:42:59 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If we an keep it!)
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To: eyespysomething; jlogajan
The era of Biblical law is long over.

4 posted on 07/29/2003 5:18 PM PDT by jlogajan

from ... here !

18 posted on 07/31/2003 1:43:33 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: sharpink
The writer shows a total lack of historic perspective. There is not a one-way track in social history--there never has been and never could be. The idea that there is, is part of the delusional unreality in which all of the various Leftist movements flounder.

The cultural issues in America today are hardly new; and the current trend towards perversion and permissiveness, have recurred many times throughout the human experience. The notion that this time, the advocates of deviancy as a virtue will somehow prevail on a permanent basis is absolutely laughable.

What the immediate acceptance in the media and academia, of conduct considered abominable throughout most of Western History, tells us is not that such a permanent triumph is even possible. It tells us that the media and academia have lost touch with any sense of reality about the human experience. That points to an inevitable upheaval, and the probable emergence of a new intelligentsia, contemporaneous with that upheaval. (We have not really had an American intelligentsia in about a Century, if that term is to be given its literal meaning, so one suspects that such emergence is long overdue. Just consider, if you will, the stark difference between the profundity of the Founding Fathers and the silly prattle of today's academic poseurs!)

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

19 posted on 07/31/2003 1:45:54 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: sharpink
"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy." Prime Minister Winston Churchill, October 29, 1941, address to Harrow School Hear it here. (Requires Real Audio).


20 posted on 07/31/2003 1:54:47 PM PDT by El Gato
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