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Democrats' prospects bleakest in 70 years, pollster says
Knight Ridder Newspapers | July 29, 2003 | Steven Thomma

Posted on 07/29/2003 8:49:24 AM PDT by HAL9000

PHILADELPHIA - The Democratic Party is approaching the 2004 elections in its weakest position since Franklin Roosevelt forged the enduring Democratic coalition 70 years ago, a prominent pollster warned Monday.

The party still has solid support from the core of Roosevelt's coalition - union members, minorities and the working poor - said pollster Mark Penn. It also enjoys solid support from gays and Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing minority.

But less than one-third of Americans now consider themselves Democrats, down from 49 percent at their peak in 1958. And Democrats lag well behind Republicans among other growing groups of voters whose loyalties swing back and forth between parties and who hold the key to close elections - including suburbanites, professionals and middle-class families with children. That leaves the party in a poor position to build the new coalition it needs to beat President Bush and build an enduring majority in an evenly divided country.

"In terms of the percentage of voters who identify themselves as Democrats, the Democratic Party is currently in its weakest position since the dawn of the New Deal," Penn told a gathering of the Democratic Leadership Council, a group of centrist Democrats. "Exciting the Democratic base alone will not bring enough voters into the Democratic fold."

Penn, who was President Clinton's pollster, revealed his findings at a time when centrists are again battling liberals for dominance within the Democratic Party. Centrists fear that catering to the party's base with anti-war talk and "big government" proposals for health care will turn off other voters.

Already, said DLC founder Al From, the party is reviving an unwelcome image as the pre-Clinton party of "tax-and-spend" big government, weak on defense and captive to special interests. That image cost the party three straight presidential elections in the 1980s, From said.

"The Democratic Party is in danger of being taken over by the far left," said Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., chairman of the DLC.

One key problem, Penn and others said, is that Democrats are perceived as catering to a political base that is losing its electoral clout in a changing country. When likely voters are asked which party they prefer, Democrats still hold an edge among many groups. Union members and gays prefer Democrats over Republicans by 43 percentage points, and African-Americans and the working poor do by 41 percentage points, Penn found.

But Republicans have an edge of 15 percentage points among suburban voters, 21 percentage points among professionals, and 29 percentage points among white-collar workers.

The Penn poll of 1,225 likely 2004 voters was conducted June 29-July 1 and had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points.

"The decline of manufacturing jobs and the shift from cities to suburbs and exurbs, and the dramatic increases in college education and white collar and professional jobs, do not favor the Democrats," Penn said.

The Republican advantage increases as people move up the economic ladder. Among whites, Democrats are favored only among those who make less than $20,000 a year. The Republican edge grows with income, reaching 66 percentage points among whites making more than $150,000 a year.

Democrats also maintain strength among single voters, but once families have children, they tend to turn Republican, Penn said.

And while Democrats are more often favored on issues such as poverty, the environment and health care, voters prefer Republicans on terrorism and national security.

Despite their party's weaknesses, centrist Democrats believe Bush can be defeated next year if the party coalesces around a centrist candidate who is strong on defense and offers an agenda to spark the economy. Anxieties about the war in Iraq and the economy have hurt Bush's standing; Penn's survey found that 48 percent of likely voters believe Bush deserves re-election, while 42 percent believe someone else should be elected.

Sensing opportunity, many Democrats at the DLC conference said they believe there is plenty of time for the party to settle its internal debate and find a new leader before voters make up their minds for 2004. Polls show none of the nine Democratic presidential candidates is emerging as a frontrunner, leaving the party without a single voice for now to counter Bush.

"It's still early," said Jennifer Mann, a state representative from Allentown, Pa. "Most people in my district aren't getting up every morning wondering what's happening in the presidential race. ... I know there is a degree of impatience. People are anxious for someone to emerge. But when that person does emerge, people will rally behind them."



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; democrats; dlc; polls
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1 posted on 07/29/2003 8:49:24 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
LOL...and snort coffee all over my keyboard.
2 posted on 07/29/2003 8:50:35 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: HAL9000
A link to this anywhere?
3 posted on 07/29/2003 8:51:13 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: HAL9000
Go Dean Go!!!
4 posted on 07/29/2003 8:52:39 AM PDT by LB4BUSH
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To: Coop
Smiling poll ping....
5 posted on 07/29/2003 8:53:32 AM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: The Old Hoosier
A link to this anywhere?

Check your favorite Knight-Ridder newspaper.

6 posted on 07/29/2003 8:53:36 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I watched the presentation..and what's really damming for the Dems are the stats he didn't address.....he did not talk at all about abortion...how the % of women wupporting it is dropping, nor about church goers...the degree of support for dems declines as church attendance increases....
7 posted on 07/29/2003 8:53:53 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: HAL9000
Only Al Sharpton can save us now! Go Al, Go!!!
8 posted on 07/29/2003 8:57:02 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: HAL9000
"once families have children, they tend to turn Republican"

And they're all receiving tax rebate checks this week. Yahoo!

9 posted on 07/29/2003 8:57:13 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: HAL9000
"The decline of manufacturing jobs and the shift from cities to suburbs and exurbs, and the dramatic increases in college education and white collar and professional jobs, do not favor the Democrats," Penn said.

In other words, when people succeed, they leave the Democrat party, so one could ask, do the Democrats really want people to succeed, just so the people can vote them out of office?

10 posted on 07/29/2003 8:58:22 AM PDT by Sir Gawain (Active freepers with multiple IDs - http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19726)
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To: Brad Cloven
Doggone shame's what it is...
11 posted on 07/29/2003 8:58:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: HAL9000
... and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks!

LOL!

12 posted on 07/29/2003 8:58:48 AM PDT by The G Man (Rule #4 of Fight Club - Never wear a sweat shirt that says "Property of Fight Club XXL")
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To: The G Man
Punk!
13 posted on 07/29/2003 9:00:46 AM PDT by ICX (Donations to the Odai and Qusai Hussein Memorial Fund can be submitted directly to the Dean campaign)
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To: HAL9000
"centrist Democrats believe Bush can be defeated next year if the party coalesces around a centrist candidate who is strong on defense and offers an agenda to spark the economy."

Exactly where do you find a Democrat candidate who is strong on defense and knows about economics? I've never even seen this particular species of Democrat.
14 posted on 07/29/2003 9:00:47 AM PDT by moodyskeptic
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To: HAL9000
Schadenfreude-a-rama!
15 posted on 07/29/2003 9:01:09 AM PDT by TheBigB (RIP Bob Hope. Entertainer. Patriot. British by Birth, American by Providence.)
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To: HAL9000
Well, SHAZAM!
16 posted on 07/29/2003 9:02:32 AM PDT by shiva
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To: HAL9000
"...the dramatic increases in college education and white collar and professional jobs, do not favor the Democrats."

In other words, smart people don't vote democrat.

17 posted on 07/29/2003 9:03:40 AM PDT by rudypoot (99% of the lawyers make the rest look bad.)
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To: Drango
"And while Democrats are more often favored on issues such as poverty, the environment and health care, voters prefer Republicans on terrorism and national security."

This has been my argument for years and this is why GWB will win in 2004. Can you imagine if Gore was in office right now? His Administration would still be trying to figure out how not to offend anyone if we were to go into Afganistan. Thank God GWB is our leader!

18 posted on 07/29/2003 9:05:44 AM PDT by scarab9
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To: HAL9000
That leaves the party in a poor position to build the new coalition it needs to beat President Bush and build an enduring majority in an evenly divided country.

If it were an “evenly divided country,” the Democrats would not be in a poor position.

Who writes this garbage?

19 posted on 07/29/2003 9:08:25 AM PDT by dead
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To: HAL9000; Sir Gawain
Democrats also maintain strength among single voters, but once families have children, they tend to turn Republican, Penn said.

I've never really wondered why the Dems are always pushing anti-family legislation, but this shows exactly why, in spades.

Despite their party's weaknesses, centrist Democrats believe Bush can be defeated next year if the party coalesces around a centrist candidate who is strong on defense and offers an agenda to spark the economy.

I still have a cartoon at home from October of 1984, entitled "How Mondale Can Win the Election." According to the cartoon, Reagan not only had to fall asleep at a news conference announcing the end of Social Security and farm subsidies, declare war on Hawaii and lose (at which point he still has a lead), but he had to withdraw from the race at the last minute "to go back to the ranch with Nancy" in order for Mondale to win by less than 1%. Somehow, I think that 2004 is going to be about the same, particularly when we get Saddam, find the WMDs and when the economy shows uncontestable evidence of the strong recovery that has started.

BTW, I think that you could run Reagan now and he'd beat any Demonrat out there.

20 posted on 07/29/2003 9:09:10 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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