Posted on 04/18/2003 1:47:08 PM PDT by RetiredArmy
It's True: 'Liberals' Wanted Saddam to Beat U.S.
Gary Kamiya, executive editor of the left-leaning Internet journal Salon, confirms what some Americans have suspected: Liberals were cheering for the enemy in Iraq, the Washington Times pointed out today in an item headlined "Cheering the enemy."
"I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong," Kamiya wrote. "Wished for the Iraqis to be more nationalistic, to resist longer. Wished for the Arab world to rise up in rage. Wished for all the things we feared would happen. I'm not alone: A number of serious, intelligent, morally sensitive people who oppose the war have told me they have had identical feelings."
But surely, you object, these "serious, intelligent, morally sensitive" liberals couldn't possibly favor a mass-murdering, torture-loving dictator? Surely they couldn't agree with "Latino studies" assistant professor Nicholas De Genova, who told a cheering crowd of appeasement activists at Columbia University that he "would like to see a million Mogadishus." Think again.
More dead American troops would have been preferred to the "larger moral negative" of a victory that boosted President Bush's chances for re-election, according to the Salon big.
"Many antiwar commentators have argued that once the war started, even those who oppose it must now wish for the quickest, least-bloody victory followed by the maximum possible liberation of the Iraqi people," Kamiya wrote. "But there is one argument against this: What if you are convinced that an easy victory will ultimately result in a larger moral negative — four more years of Bush, for example, with attendant disastrous policies, or the betrayal of the Palestinians to eternal occupation, or more imperialist meddling in the Middle East or elsewhere?
"Wishing for things to go wrong is the logical corollary of the postulate that the better things go for Bush, the worse they will go for America and the rest of the world."
Thus goes the reasoning at Salon, which is moderate compared to the hateful rantings of some U.S. leftists.
How ironic that the more these "liberals" reveal themselves to America, the more they boost a president they so despise.
Doesn't matter that Saddam is a murderous-torturing bully over twenty-two million impoverished people, does it?
Gary Kamiya, executive editor of the left-leaning Internet journal Salon, confirms what some Americans have suspected: Liberals were cheering for the enemy in Iraq, the Washington Times pointed out today in an item headlined "Cheering the enemy."
"I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong," Kamiya wrote. "Wished for the Iraqis to be more nationalistic, to resist longer. Wished for the Arab world to rise up in rage. Wished for all the things we feared would happen. I'm not alone: A number of serious, intelligent, morally sensitive people who oppose the war have told me they have had identical feelings."
You're assuming that the "sucker" was looking at this as a business investment instead of a political investment. More likely, it was some rich liberal (or group of liberals) who want Salon.com to keep pumping out it's Leftist propaganda. They don't expect to make a financial profit; they expect to make a political profit (just like buying campaign advertising).
Besides, when the stock tanks, the investors get to write off the financial loss on their taxes. That means that, ultimately, it's the taxpayers that wind up footing the bill for this propaganda machine.
One significant difference is the will of the fighters. In Gulf War II, the vast majority of Iraq's military did not believe in their cause (protecting Saddam), whereas the vast majority of the US military did believe in our cause. Morale and "will to fight" are HUGE factors in the effectiveness of any military.
Now, let's suppose you are correct and the Federal Government, under some Leftist like Hillary, orders the US military to wage war against Americans (which I doubt will happen--see my next post). The roles will be reversed: the freedom-loving American citizens will be very determined to fight, even to the death, whereas the US soldiers will likely not be committed to killing fellow (conservative) citizens. In fact, we could probably expect a large number--perhaps an overwhelming majority--of the military forces to disobey orders or even turn on the decision makers.
I disagree, although sometimes, I think that may be the only way to restore freedom in the US. The reason this won't happen is that, while Communists achieve totalitarianism through violent revolution, the Socialists are more patient and insidious. The Socialists achieve totalitarianism by the "silent" invasion of our schools, our governments, our judiciaries, and our social institutions. They disguise their true agendas and mask their true identities. They take advantage of the ignorance, complacency, and greed of the masses to gain power and control.
Yes, there are Communist revolutionaries in America: people who would like to quickly and violently overthrow our form of government. But they are the fringe element. The more dangerous--and vastly more widespread and powerful--are the Socialists who every day are patiently chipping away at America's Constitution, sovereignty, and way of life. These are people you know: Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Henry Waxman, etc. These people are the malignant cancer that's metastasizing through the body politic. They intend to achieve totalitarian revolution--and will likely do so--without having to fire a shot.
Heh heh heh...
I have little faith in the Republican Party. I think they will blow the 2008 election, and when the Clintonistas get back in they will make sure they are NEVER out of power again. I do not think I am alone in that assessment, thus my prediction that we will have it out militarily with these slime bags around Inauguration Day, 2009, when it becomes brutally obvious that there is no alternative. I am not particularly optimistic that right will prevail in that struggle. I fear that the whole concept of an armed citizenry being the reset button on the Constitution has been overtaken by events and technology. The Fedayeen Saddam were highly motivated, suicidally so, but their motivation availed them little against M1 Abrams and Bradleys and AAV's and thermal imagery and highly trained, body armor clad soldiers and Marines. The same or even more advanced technologies and skill sets that conquered Iraq could be turned on us by the Hillary regime, and by that time all we could do is choose to die on our feet rather than live on our knees.
Oh, well. I'll buy another truck instead.
What the hell, it will be more usefull.
That's because the Republican Party of today, is the Democrat Party of yesteryear. There is no viable conservative political party today. Sure, there are a few true conservatives in the Republican Party, but they have been overwhelmed and drowned out by an influx of liberals masquerading as Republicans (the "RINOs"). Yet even as the Republican Party accelerates to the left, the Socialists that make up the backbone of the Democratic Party loudly proclaim that the Republicans are "ultra-right wing fascists." And yet, the majority of people in this country are willing to accept that characterization. If not, then why do so many "mainstream" districts continue to vote Democrat?
And that is what I'm talking about: the Socialists do not need a violent revolution in America. They are progressing quite expediently with their "silent" revolution. They have seized control of the schools and universities and successfully turned them into leftist indoctrination camps. (In particular, they have a 95%+ control over the schools of law, the schools of journalism, and the departments of history, sociology, political science, and all other departments leading to a career in education or academia.) They control many of the courts and judicial benches and virtually all the powerful media outlets. They have infiltrated churches and social organizations. They have tremendous power over industry through the labor unions (as well as access to the union dues). The Socialists OWN the Democratic Party and are quietly taking over the Republican Party. And they have completely pervaded the government bureaucracy at all levels and have implemented policies and programs that ensure the growth of their power and the eventual downfall of America: elimination of private property rights, punitive taxation, gun control, welfare, social security, ADA, hate crimes legislation, UN subservience, uncontrolled immigration, etc. (We all know about the unchecked Mexican immigration, but did you know that their are federal programs to actively recruit and assist the immigration of muslim Arabs into America, supposedly in the name of "diversity".)
The bottom line is that Americans have been--and will continue to--willingly hand over their freedoms to the Socialists. And by the time "we" realize that we are living in a totalitarian state, it will be too late to do anything about it. Unfortunately, at that point, there will be no freedom-loving superpower to rescue us the way that the US rescued the Iraqi people from their totalitarian government.
"...and when the Clintonistas get back in they will make sure they are NEVER out of power again."
First, you must realize that Bill Clinton was just another useful idiot. He was never really about Socialism--or any other hard-core political cause. He was simply about himself: his ego, his wealth, his power, his celebrity status, his ability to get laid. For him, Liberalism was more a symptom, rather than the disease. Hillary, on the other hand, is far more dangerous than Bill ever was. But she is also very smart and cunning (in the same way that all totalitarians are smart and cunning). I think she will employ every illegal and subversive means possible to obtain and retain the presidency for two terms, and to ensure that her chosen candidate succeeds her. But I don't think she is stupid enough to try to order the US military to attack Americans.
Long??? Bitter??
I swear...if you had to rely on the liberal pukes at ABCCBSNBC for your news, you'd surely be convinced that we LOST this war!!
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