See men shredded, then say you don't back war (MUST, MUST READ!)

The Times ^ | March 18, 2003 | Ann Clwyd

[=Intervention=]

It's amazing when the Labour party says this, isn't it? If anyone in the UK, politically speaking, would disbelieve these accounts, wouldn't they? If anyone would be suspicious of these things, wouldn't they? The fact that they're not only listening to the eye-witnesses, but distributing the information, and that, publically, leads me to believe that these aren't lies. Perhaps that man is duped? Perhaps. In a country that's roughly 60% against the war, he's taking a major political risk both now, and in the long run. The situation, by all appearances, seems to indicate that the truth is being told. Trust but verify.

[Humidston]

You keep this up Ivan, and I'm going to have to nominate you for the Best poster on FR!

[buffyt]

Just what I have been thinking.... either we are RIGHT to get rid of Hussein or we were WRONG to get rid of Hitler. Both = 100% pure evil, killing thousands of their own people!

[DCPatriot]

Cheers, Ivan!

[buffyt]

I second that motion or nomination or whatever it is! Ivan is the best!

[goodieD]

The leftists don't care about the people of Iraq, they are filled with hatred and intolerance for anything good and decent.

[Kay Soze]

Horrible.

These are guys are sick?

But how do we explain not taking advantage of the situation and removing someone like this?

[Alberta's Child]

Why do you put the "liberation" of Kuwait in quote marks?

Because using U.S. military forces to restore a royal family to a throne hardly qualifies as an act of "liberation" in my opinion. Particularly when the royal family in this case happens to rule one of the more radical Islamic nations on the planet.

[DCPatriot]

It's not unusual to paint your enemy as sub-human. I suppose it makes "killing them" easy on the conscience.

Anything to drum up support, though silent.

[Kay Soze]

Every "peace nic" you list is profiting from direct business dealings with these butchers.

Aad against UN resolutions.

Why do we need the buthcer or his support agency - the UN?

[Mrs.Liberty]

Sadly, I'm unemployed at the moment. Regards, Ivan

Well, your "work" here, though unpaid, is much appreciated!

[Ichneumon]

Yeah, sure they were. Just like those babies in Kuwaiti hospitals were thrown from their incubators to die on the cold, hard floor. I'm all weepy now. I just love being lied to in order to demonize an entire country. What kind of sick, base, demented, M.F. sits around and thinks this stuff up?

25,000 shoes recovered from Auschwitz. One guess what happened to their owners.

Go ahead and close your eyes to the evil that psychopathic dictators are capable of. But that doesn't make it not true.

[=Intervention=]

It must be said, by seeking to disprove something by claiming other lies as truth is a very ineffective strategy. The country was INVADED by Saddam and then liberated (both militarily and somewhat politically) by the Allied forces. And oh yeah, the United States was so busy propping up Hitler in the 30's. The U.S was busy with the Great Depression in the '30's. Foreign policy was the LAST thing on our minds.

[L_Von_Mises]

Thanks for the ping. Missed ya at the counterprotest, hope all is well, LVM.

[tomahawk]

That's what I thought you meant, but I wanted to ask to be sure.

Are Kuwaitis being mass-murdered, raped, and plundered by the Kuwaiti regime? I think not. I think 99.99% of Kuwaitis would consider themselves to have been liberated by the coalition forces. Just because they don't have a democracy doesn't mean they weren't liberated from Saddam Hussein and Iraqi occuption.

[CMClay]

How dare Saddam kill these people, that is our job
lol!

[wtc911]

I agree, this does smack of manipulation similar to the Kuwaiti girl's lies to Congress, although I tend to find this more likely true. These atrocities though are not a cause for war. If they were then we would have to invade half of Africa, half of South America, Turkey, Iran, any other country where similar (as yet unproven) allegations have been made. We are going to war for global re-alignment reasons. The stopping of this type of barbarism will be a benefit, not a cause.

[FirstTomato]

Clamboat, you are always good for a laugh! I'm sure that's why Jim keeps you around.

[ez]

Ms. Clwyd was in leadership...a frontbencher when she began to speak out against Saddam's evil tortuous repression of the Iraqi people. She walked the walk...she went to Iraq as a Labour partisan and had an epiphany. She saw the truth.

Her reward for coming back and publishing information which damages Labour's position was a demotion to backbencher, where she sits in the very last row.

She is as big a hero as Mr. Blair among Brits and deserves our recognition.

The truth of Saddam's atrocities has been hidden long enough.