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See men shredded, then say you don't back war (MUST, MUST READ!)
The Times ^ | March 18, 2003 | Ann Clwyd

Posted on 03/17/2003 2:37:50 PM PST by MadIvan

“There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head first and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food . . . on one occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam Hussein’s youngest son] personally supervise these murders.”

This is one of the many witness statements that were taken by researchers from Indict — the organisation I chair — to provide evidence for legal cases against specific Iraqi individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. This account was taken in the past two weeks.

Another witness told us about practices of the security services towards women: “Women were suspended by their hair as their families watched; men were forced to watch as their wives were raped . . . women were suspended by their legs while they were menstruating until their periods were over, a procedure designed to cause humiliation.”

The accounts Indict has heard over the past six years are disgusting and horrifying. Our task is not merely passively to record what we are told but to challenge it as well, so that the evidence we produce is of the highest quality. All witnesses swear that their statements are true and sign them.

For these humanitarian reasons alone, it is essential to liberate the people of Iraq from the regime of Saddam. The 17 UN resolutions passed since 1991 on Iraq include Resolution 688, which calls for an end to repression of Iraqi civilians. It has been ignored. Torture, execution and ethnic-cleansing are everyday life in Saddam’s Iraq.

Were it not for the no-fly zones in the south and north of Iraq — which some people still claim are illegal — the Kurds and the Shia would no doubt still be attacked by Iraqi helicopter gunships.

For more than 20 years, senior Iraqi officials have committed genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. This list includes far more than the gassing of 5,000 in Halabja and other villages in 1988. It includes serial war crimes during the Iran-Iraq war; the genocidal Anfal campaign against the Iraqi Kurds in 1987-88; the invasion of Kuwait and the killing of more than 1,000 Kuwaiti civilians; the violent suppression, which I witnessed, of the 1991 Kurdish uprising that led to 30,000 or more civilian deaths; the draining of the Southern Marshes during the 1990s, which ethnically cleansed thousands of Shias; and the summary executions of thousands of political opponents.

Many Iraqis wonder why the world applauded the military intervention that eventually rescued the Cambodians from Pol Pot and the Ugandans from Idi Amin when these took place without UN help. They ask why the world has ignored the crimes against them?

All these crimes have been recorded in detail by the UN, the US, Kuwaiti, British, Iranian and other Governments and groups such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and Indict. Yet the Security Council has failed to set up a war crimes tribunal on Iraq because of opposition from France, China and Russia. As a result, no Iraqi official has ever been indicted for some of the worst crimes of the 20th century. I have said incessantly that I would have preferred such a tribunal to war. But the time for offering Saddam incentives and more time is over.

I do not have a monopoly on wisdom or morality. But I know one thing. This evil, fascist regime must come to an end. With or without the help of the Security Council, and with or without the backing of the Labour Party in the House of Commons tonight.

The author is Labour MP for Cynon Valley.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; iraq; labour; saddam; uk; us; war
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Note to peaceniks, France, Germany, Russia and China:

SHUT UP.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/17/2003 2:37:50 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: AZLadyhawke; Southflanknorthpawsis; meema; headsonpikes; TEXOKIE; Pan_Yans Wife; mumbo; Siouxz; ...
Saddam's crimes bump
2 posted on 03/17/2003 2:38:14 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
BTTT
3 posted on 03/17/2003 2:40:20 PM PST by bwteim
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To: MadIvan
*nods head*
4 posted on 03/17/2003 2:40:50 PM PST by ProudArmyWife
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To: MadIvan
Saddam your days are numbered, Bump
5 posted on 03/17/2003 2:40:56 PM PST by SAMWolf (Don't get in a spitting contest with us, France. We can kick your ass easier than we saved it -twice)
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To: MadIvan
Whew. Thanks, Ivan.
6 posted on 03/17/2003 2:41:02 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: MadIvan
Saddam is definitely about to catch a ride on the Hell Express...
7 posted on 03/17/2003 2:41:05 PM PST by danneskjold (die-hard JAZZ fan)
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To: MadIvan; Vic3O3
Ivan,

Oorah! Great post! Trained with your folks and the Gurka's in the 80's. Great bunch!

Semper Fi
8 posted on 03/17/2003 2:41:43 PM PST by dd5339 (Lookout Texas here we come!)
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To: MadIvan
These "eyewitness accounts" should never be made public because they immediately bring the credibility of the U.S. into question.

Similar "eyewitness accounts" that were made public in testimony by family members of Kuwaiti government officials before the U.S. Congress back in 1991 were later exposed as utter bullsh!t.

If there are valid reasons for the U.S. to go to war against Iraq, then let those reasons stand on their own. I hate going through a situation like this only to get a feeling at such a late date that I'm being manipulated.

9 posted on 03/17/2003 2:42:13 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: MadIvan
You've been one busy dude lately. Enjoy all your posts. Do you have to work for a living, BTW?
10 posted on 03/17/2003 2:42:22 PM PST by JusPasenThru (Bork, Thomas, Estrada...has the Left no shame?)
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To: MadIvan
No longer the left winger peace marchers in the street love this mass murderer, his sons and his thugs.

Soddomite is their type of guy.

Same goes for the libs in the UK and of course the left wingers from the Da$$hole, the Hildebeast to Conyers who was helping these marchers in DC today!
11 posted on 03/17/2003 2:42:27 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: JusPasenThru
You've been one busy dude lately. Enjoy all your posts. Do you have to work for a living, BTW?

Sadly, I'm unemployed at the moment.

Regards, Ivan

12 posted on 03/17/2003 2:43:08 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were again made to watch..[other bull deleted]

Yeah, sure they were. Just like those babies in Kuwaiti hospitals were thrown from their incubators to die on the cold, hard floor. I'm all weepy now. I just love being lied to in order to demonize an entire country.

What kind of sick, base, demented, M.F. sits around and thinks this stuff up?

13 posted on 03/17/2003 2:44:30 PM PST by clamboat
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To: MadIvan
Here's to a shredded Saddam---feet first.
14 posted on 03/17/2003 2:44:45 PM PST by pankot
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To: MadIvan
Russia, France and Germany have chosen poorly, to keep the monster in power in Iraq because he's their monster.

The monster will be destroyed.

Russia, France and Germany should bear the consequences (no economic projects in liberated Iraq).
15 posted on 03/17/2003 2:45:20 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: Alberta's Child
These "eyewitness accounts" should never be made public because they immediately bring the credibility of the U.S. into question.

Come now, we've got plenty of proof that this is precisely the sort of thing Saddam does. He gassed his own people for goodness sake.

Let the light of day penetrate all corners. Saddam is an evil bastard who should die. And with God's help, he will.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 03/17/2003 2:46:02 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan; Mudboy Slim; BufordP; DarthRaven; Doctor Raoul; FreeTheHostages; sauropod; GunsareOK; ...
Fargo alert. Just picture Sodom as the input.
17 posted on 03/17/2003 2:46:05 PM PST by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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To: Alberta's Child
Similar accounts have been recounted by thousands of Iraqis living in exile. Why don't you give them a polygraph?
18 posted on 03/17/2003 2:46:32 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: MadIvan
This is but the tip of the iceberg. Yet too many don't want to know about it because it isn't happening to them. It's just like the number of people who have forgotten about 9/11/01 or pretend it never happened and that Saddam wasn't directly or indirectly involved.
19 posted on 03/17/2003 2:46:44 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (RW&B)
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To: MadIvan
bttt
20 posted on 03/17/2003 2:46:49 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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