[Alberta's Child]

These "eyewitness accounts" should never be made public because they immediately bring the credibility of the U.S. into question.

Similar "eyewitness accounts" that were made public in testimony by family members of Kuwaiti government officials before the U.S. Congress back in 1991 were later exposed as utter bullsh!t.

If there are valid reasons for the U.S. to go to war against Iraq, then let those reasons stand on their own. I hate going through a situation like this only to get a feeling at such a late date that I'm being manipulated.

[MadIvan]

These "eyewitness accounts" should never be made public because they immediately bring the credibility of the U.S. into question.

Come now, we've got plenty of proof that this is precisely the sort of thing Saddam does. He gassed his own people for goodness sake.

Let the light of day penetrate all corners. Saddam is an evil bastard who should die. And with God's help, he will.

Regards, Ivan

[tomahawk]

Similar accounts have been recounted by thousands of Iraqis living in exile. Why don't you give them a polygraph?

[goodnesswins]

Yes...and no one should have ratted on Hitler either.

[Mr. Lucky]

Do you feel the same way about the accounts of Sobibor, Treblinka and Auschwitz?

[Billthedrill]

Yeah, I know the feeling. OTOH, the doings of the Nazis in the death camps were widely reported too, and widely dismissed as propaganda. What to do? If you believe this stuff and it later turns out to be false you feel like a fool, if you disbelieve it and it later turns out to be true, you feel like...well, like one of those "good Germans" who just couldn't believe the stories either.

Personally I am of the opinion that Saddam has already proven himself a murderous thug and fully capable of this sort of thing. But I say hang him for what we already know is true - it's quite sufficient.

[dead]

I agree. If we don't have film of the atrocities, or the bloody machine, in our possession, it's not fact, it's rumor.

We have plenty of facts. And we'll have more after we rummage through some of those "palaces."

[DCPatriot]

It's not unusual to paint your enemy as sub-human. I suppose it makes "killing them" easy on the conscience.

Anything to drum up support, though silent.

[wtc911]

I agree, this does smack of manipulation similar to the Kuwaiti girl's lies to Congress, although I tend to find this more likely true. These atrocities though are not a cause for war. If they were then we would have to invade half of Africa, half of South America, Turkey, Iran, any other country where similar (as yet unproven) allegations have been made. We are going to war for global re-alignment reasons. The stopping of this type of barbarism will be a benefit, not a cause.

[GOPJ]

He's a monster. If you've never met an evil person, count your blessings.

In our country the monsters are in jail or their way. In Iraq they run the place. Think of the worse criminal you've ever heard of -- someone who tortures his victims before killing them. Then think of that person running the country. That's Iraq.

[error99]

"...If there are valid reasons for the U.S. to go to war against Iraq, then let those reasons stand on their own. I hate going through a situation like this only to get a feeling at such a late date that I'm being manipulated..."
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Your Canadian influence is showing...
For you and your Canuck pals:
get a grip, have a sip of a cold one,
and we will take out the world's trash.
As usual - with you "watching our backs".
Thanks for nothing Canada (AKA "Eastern France").

[Mr. Silverback]

You know, you take all the crap put out by the Kuwaiti royals prior to the Gulf War and you put it aside, and what you still have left is a mountain of atrocities against the Kuwaitis alone during those few months of occupation. Here's just one example, from "War in the Gulf", written almost one year after the end of hostilities:

"Torture, killings and mass arrests had started on the day of the invasion. Men and women were pulled off the streets for interrogations. The wrong responses brought pain, mutilation, and in many cases death. Iraqi soldiers also raped women. After the war, Iraqi 'torture centers' in Kuwait were found to contain bloodstained saws, axes, pick handles, meat hooks, a power drill, hand vise, and electric cattle prods, pliers to extract fingernails; carpenter planes to shave off skin; and a pair of industrial driers, also stained inside with blood. Liberators also discovered a bed frame and a hot plate that had been wired to give electric shocks. The number of Kuwaitis tortured and murdered during the six months of Iraqi occupation is estimated to be in the thousands."

Whenever some nutcase dictator tortures people to death for fun, you'll always find some bunch who think it's just propaganda. Often that group extends beyond the useful idiots and includes folks like you who should know better. People poo-pooed the reports of the rape of Nanking, the Nazi death camps, the killing fields in Southeast Asia...They told Richard Wurmbrand that his tales of torture in Romanian prisons were lies, until they were proven true after the collapse of Romanian Communism. The National Council of Churches said there was no persecution of Christians in Soviet Russia, North Korea and is now actively campaigning to convince us that China has no Christian persecution and that the Christians in Iraq are just hap-hap-happy! People were shocked when they opened their Staatspolizei files after the German reunification and found out that their kids, spouses or pastors had been informing on them.

This is evil we're talking about here. And you think it's outside the realm just because some dipstick emir told a few fibs?

[Cultural Jihad]

If there are valid reasons for the U.S. to go to war against Iraq, then let those reasons stand on their own.

There would be only one valid reason to go to war: Because President Bush sent us there, and that should be the reason. You and anyone are free to read the transcripts to his press conferences and speeches.

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"The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism, and practices terror against its own people." --October 7, 2002

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Saddam Hussein has a history of mass murder. He possesses the weapons of mass murder." --March 16, 2003

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"In a free Iraq, there will be no more wars of aggression against your neighbors, no more poison factories, no more executions of dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms. The tyrant will soon be gone. The day of your liberation is near." --March 17, 2003

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