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WHY WE MUST VOTE REPUBLICAN
Fiedior Report On the News #293 ^ | 10-27-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 10/26/2002 10:12:21 AM PDT by forest

Everyone seems to have their favorite conspiracies nowadays and we must get "alerted" to four or five new ones a week. So, herein, we shall not be starting yet another.

Still, there is a rather significant point that must be made before the general election next month. Because, there really is a well entrenched organization afoot that is unabashedly reorganizing life in the United States as we know it. This group is not secret. In fact, they hold semipublic meetings in our nation's Capitol and everyone in the Washington press corps know about them.

Fifty years ago, most members of Congress would have quickly labeled the goals and activities of groups like these as "un-American activities." Today, almost all the members of the groups in question are members of the Democratic Party, as well as members of Congress.

So, while this cannot actually be labeled as a secret conspiracy, there really is a workable plan afoot that could put the leadership of most of the important committees in Congress in the hands of people with decidedly un-American intentions.

This study was begun to determine what the House would look like if the Democrats won back control next month. Dick Gephardt would be Speaker, of course. But, that's only the beginning of the problem. Most work is done in the various committees and whoever runs the committees wields much of the power. So, as we do every couple years, we looked to see who the ranking Democrats are on a few important committees and subcommittees. Let's see what will happen this time around if the Democrats win back Congress next month.

The Appropriation Committee has two subcommittees of interest for this study. If the Democrats take the House, the Subcommittee on Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies will be chaired by Marcy Kaptur** (D-Ohio).

Kaptur** received the double asterisk after her name because she is a long-term, active member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus(1). The Progressive Caucus is a socialist organization aligned with the Democratic Socialists of America and the Socialist International(2) network. The Progressive Caucus "platform" (of sorts) can be found on their Progressive Challenge website.(3)

Now that we have noted the use of the double asterisk as a shorthand gimmick, let's return to examining the disgusting situation we could find ourselves in if the Democratic Party is allowed to win back Congress.

The Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs could be chaired by Nancy Pelosi** (D-CA). Except, Pelosi** was recently elected by other far left Democratic-socialists to become House Democratic Whip, which means she would be first in line as majority leader if the Democratic Party controlled the House and Gephardt becomes Speaker.

More alarming yet, Pelosi** is currently the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence -- which exercises oversight of all U.S. government intelligence activities. That means, there is a good chance a card carrying socialist could actually become chairman of Intelligence.

Chairmanship of the House Banking and Financial Services Committee would go to either John J. LaFalce (D-NY) or Bernard Sanders** (S-VT). At the subcommittee level, Barney Frank** (D-MA) would chair Housing and Community Opportunity and/or the Committee on Financial Services. Maxine Waters** (D-CA) would chair the Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy and Bernard Sanders** (S-VT) could chair the General Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee.

Under the House Commerce Committee, Henry A. Waxman** (D-CA) is in line to chair either the Subcommittee on Health and Environment or the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

Worse, Waxman** (D-CA) would probably take over the powerful House Government Reform Committee. The Committee on Government Reform is the main investigative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives. It has jurisdiction to investigate any federal program and any matter with federal policy implications. As Ranking Member, Waxman** already sits on all of the Government Reform Committee's subcommittees and often disrupts as much as possible.

It appears that John F. Tierney** (D-MA), would get the chairmanship of the Committee on Government Reform's Subcommittee on Energy Policy, Natural Resources and Regulatory Affairs -- which deals with matters relating to the nation's economic growth, competitiveness, natural resources and regulatory reform and paperwork reduction measures.

As ranking member on the Government Reform subcommittee on Government Efficiency, Financial Management and Intergovernmental Relations, Jan Schakowsky** (D-ILL) would chair the committee that supervises agency budgets.

The powerful House Ways and Means Committee would be chaired by Charles B. Rangel (D-NY). The subcommittee on Oversight would be chaired by William J. Coyne, (D-PA) and Pete Stark** (D-CA) would get Health -- whose scope includes taxes, Medicare, Social Security, trade and public assistance.

The Postal Services subcommittee would be chaired by Chaka Fattah** (D-PA).

Lynn Woolsey** (D-CA) is ranking minority member on the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, so would probably chair that. However, Woolsey** is also ranking minority member on the House Science Committee's Subcommittee on Energy and so could choose to chair that committee instead.

Anything could happen on the House Judiciary Committee because John Conyers** (D-MI) (of reparations fame) would be chairman. Or, Conyers** could again become Chairman of the House Committee on Government Operations.

The House Committee on Resources would be another major problem for the American people because George Miller** (D-CA) could become chairman. Miller, we might add, wants to hand over more than half of our nation's public lands to UN and UNESCO control through the biosphere reserve program, so we see great mischief there. Or, Miller** could become Chairman of the Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Peter DeFazio** (D-OR) would chair the Water Resources and Environment Subcommittee which has jurisdiction over the Army Corps of Engineers and Clean Water Act programs.

Jim McGovern** (D-MA) is the third-ranking Democrat on the powerful House Rules Committee and there is an outside possibility he could become chairman of that.

Tom Lantos** (D-CA) would become chairman of the International Relations Committee, which has jurisdiction over all aspects of United States foreign policy, including political relations, security policies, participation in international organizations, human rights, and trade development.

Major R. Owens** (D-NY) would chair the Subcommittee on Workforce Protections of the Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Jerrold Nadler** (D-NY) would chair either the Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee or the House Resources Committee and either Nadler** or Mel Watt** (D-NC) could get the chairmanship of the Subcommittee on the Constitution.

The House Veterans Committee would be chaired by Lane Evans** (D- IL). For the subcommittees, Luis V. Gutierrez** (D-IL) would get Health, Bob Filner** (D-CA) could get Benefits and Corrine Brown** (D-FL) Oversight and Investigations.

The House Armed Services Committee's Military Personnel Subcommittee would go to Neil Abercrombie** (D-HI).

John Olver** (D-MA) is Ranking Member (top Democrat) on the Military Construction Subcommittee of Appropriations, so would chair that. As the senior Democrat on the of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee's Subcommittee on Health, Bob Filner** (D-CA) could take that chairmanship.

Donald M. Payne** (D-NJ) is Ranking Member of the International Relations Committee's Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere and Subcommittee on Africa, so would get that chairmanship.

José E. Serrano**, the Democrat Delegate from Puerto Rico, is the ranking minority member of the Appropriations Committee's Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary and would get that chairmanship. Also from Puerto Rico is the Democratic Delegate Carlos Romero-Barceló. He would chair the National Parks & Public Lands Subcommittee. Eni Faleomavaega**, the Delegate from American Samoa, would chair the Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife & Oceans Subcommittee. Robert Underwood, the Delegate from Guam, would chair the Committee on Resources' Subcommittee on Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife and Oceans.

Yes. You read that correctly. People none of us elected to anything would chair committees controlling our commercial law and much of the public lands and conservation in the continental United States -- even though they are not from here. They cannot vote for a bill on the floor of the House, but they can in committee. They can introduce bills, too. Moving on, we find that the House Small Business Committee would be chaired by Nydia Velazquez** (D-NY) and the Government Programs and Oversight Subcommittee by Danny Davis** (D-IL).

So, there you have it. At least thirty important committees in the House will be chaired by card carrying, go to meetin' socialists if the Democrats win. They will have many of the financial committees, some of the military affairs committees and control most of the environmental issues. Their common bond is socialism, which they admit to publicly by membership in the Progressive Caucus.

On the Senate side, Senator Paul Wellstone** (D-Min.) is (was, anyway) Chairman of the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs -- and a card-carrying member of the Progressive Caucus.

Scratch the surface of the Democratic Party leadership and there are the same five who have been there for years: The Clintons and McAuliffe, of course. But, along with the Clintons, their friends Joe Lieberman and Al From are also card-carrying proponents of "Third Way" socialism in the United States -- just like their European political cohorts like Gerhard Shroeder and Tony Blair, who are Vice Presidents of Socialist International.

The immediate problem started with Lieberman's Democratic Leadership Council (DLC)(4). The DLC was founded in 1985. The past chairs include Bill Clinton and House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt. Then, the chairmanship went back to Joe Lieberman, with Al From as the ever-present Chief Executive Officer. Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) is identified as the current chairman, but it is really Lieberman and From calling all the shots there.

The DLC "think tank" is the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI)(5), which admits to being a "Third Way" socialist organization: "The Progressive Policy Institute is a catalyst for political change. Its mission is to modernize progressive politics and government for the Information Age. Leaving behind the stale left-right debates of the industrial era, PPI is a prolific source of 'Third Way' thinking that is shaping the emerging politics of the 21st century."

An offshoot of the DLC and PPI is The New Democrat Network(NDN)(6). The NDN was founded in 1996 by Senator Joe Lieberman, chairman of the DLC. The NDN "acts as a political venture capital fund to create a new generation of elected officials eager to lead the U.S. and the world into the 21st century and the Internet Age. NDN is committed to electing political leaders who are capable of realizing the great promise of the new century while ensuring that no one is left behind."

NDN has about 65 members in the House and 16 in the senate. Generally speaking, the function of the NDN is to act as the DLC's political action committee and launder soft money to favored Congressional campaign committees.

There is no need to look too hard in the Senate to find un-American activities. Start with the impeachment fiasco and work out. Not one Democratic Senator bothered to even look at the evidence against Clinton. Not even one! Which means, not one Democratic Senator belongs in any position of honor ever again.

We must note, too, that no Democratic Senator came forward to decry their Party's outright violation of our election process. Senator Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) won his New Jersey primary election and the right to place his name on the general election ballot, which he did. When the Democratic Party leadership realized that Torricelli would not win the general election, they violated the will of the voters by coercing him into quitting and stuck 78-year-old socialist Frank Lautenberg in his place.

ome might still remember Lautenberg's first campaign, in 1982. Therein, he ran against 72-year-old Millicent Fenwick. As part of Lautenberg's campaign, he made an issue of age, insinuating she no longer had the capacity to be a senator. She did then. He doesn't today.

But, at least he is alive. In the last few elections the Democratic Party has actually thought it proper to run dead candidates. That fits well with their program, though. They have had dead voters submitting ballots for at least three decades.

Of course, the Democratic Party also fields special teams to visit institutions and collect ballots from Alzheimer’s patients, mental patients and even nursing home patients in comas. So, voting for those who are already dead is just follow-up constituent service for Democrats.

Just last week, in Madison, Wisconsin, prosecutors said that Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jim Doyle's campaign traded food and money to secure votes at a bingo party. Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Dakota, and Nevada were also in the news for voter fraud. In Michigan, Detroit still has not completed counting all the ballots from the primary election that ended many weeks ago and probably never will.

The AFL-CIO is no longer running TV ads aimed at influencing House and Senate races around the country. Instead, they will join with other unions and contribute millions of dollars in "walking around money" for Democratic Party activists. They call it their "get out the vote" drive. In fact, that "drive" has a lot more to do with creating votes than getting people to the correct polling place.

In the last election cycle, Democrats received $46.3 million in soft money from organized labor. Just twelve unions collectively contributed more than $17 million in soft money to Democratic state committees.

Why do Democrats support the failed government school system? They are paid for that support. The National Education Association contributed at least $21 million in the last election -- 95 percent of it to Democrats.

The Association of Trial Lawyers of America gave $19 million to Democrats. And Hollywood entertainment executive Haim Saban, gave at least $11 million to the Democrats -- including a $1 million donation to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees alone contributed at least $30.6 million since the 1989-90 election cycle and over 90% of it went to Democrats. Which means, government employees were bribing their bosses for better pay and benefits.

Most of these groups are very far-left, politically, and/or outwardly socialist groups. All of these groups want something for their money, of course. The Democrats deliver. Therefore, Democratic Party politicians receive plenty of money.

The problem of the Democratic Party is not receiving contributions, it is receiving legal contributions that may be directly used for political campaigns. That is not the type of funding their major contributors favor giving. Therefore, the Democratic Party is often overwhelmed with more so called "soft money" than they can spend legally. Hence, it is common to see them illegally buying votes with money, or whatever other commodity it takes.

Foreign money also comes into play here. Clinton, Gore and Chris Dodd were caught taking cash from communist Chinese, but that is but the tip of that iceberg. Israel launders about a hundred-million dollars into every election cycle. Japan, Inc. isn't far behind Israel. Mexico is getting into the act, as are a variety of South American countries. Most of that money is funneled through lobbyists and Washington law firms to Democrats who will vote correctly.

That is quite illegal, of course. For instance, 2 USC 441e states that it is unlawful for a foreign national to contribute to any political campaign. Yet, the Democratic National Committee knowingly and actively solicits funds from foreign nationals. The DNC also solicits funds from law firms and lobbyists they know to be little more than cut-outs for foreign corporations and governments.

Another law, 18 USC 600, states that, "Whoever promises any contact or other benefit as a consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity may be fined, imprisoned, or both." No one on Capitol Hill pays any attention to that law. There are never any arrests, either. If lobbyists could not promise their clients contacts on Capitol Hill, they would not have much money to contribute to political campaigns.

Also, 18 USC 1956 states that: "Whoever illegally obtains campaign contributions, or knowingly accepts campaign contributions that are laundered in an attempt to conceal the nature, source, ownership or control of the funds, may be fined, imprisoned, or both." Yet, everyone on Capitol Hill knows exactly which lobbyists and Washington legal firms are laundering campaign donation money from clients who cannot legally contribute themselves. They accept the money, anyway.

All of the above applies to the Democrats on Capitol Hill. Unfortunately, some also applies to Republicans -- especially the so called Rockefeller Republicans (often called RINO's -- Republicans In Name Only) who really do not belong in the Republican Party.

But, the point is, Democrats on Capitol Hill tend to be out-and-out socialists. Many are also lawbreakers. All work against the original intent of the authors of our Constitution. Therefore, they consciously and intentionally violate their oath of office and should never be allowed to hold a position in any level of government.

As President Ronald Reagan wisely cautioned: "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom, and then lost it, have never known it again."

By instilling socialism in the United States, the Democrats intend to usurp our freedom. As an instant correction by peaceful means, we should all vote straight Republican next month. Then, we can cull out the bad Republicans in the next primary election.

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1. <http://bernie.house.gov/pc>

2. <http://www.dsausa.org/si/si.html>

3. <http://www.ips-dc.org/netprogress/>

4. <http://www.ndol.org>

5. <http://www.ppionline.org/index.cfm>

6. <http://www.newdem.org>

 

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To: BureaucratusMaximus
A (LP) would leave Gay Rights up to the states...no federal lobby or indoctrination...no federal regulations

Sexual Rights

We believe that adults have the right to private choice in consensual sexual activity.

We oppose any government attempt to dictate, prohibit, control, or encourage any private lifestyle, living arrangement or contractual relationship.

We support repeal of existing laws and policies which are intended to condemn, affirm, encourage, or deny sexual lifestyles or any set of attitudes about such lifestyles.

Funny for a party that you claim would "leave it up to the States" why do they have a FIRM position that states their position. Hum... "WE SUPPORT" the following is NOT leaving it up to the states IMHO. It is an agenda. Period.

101 posted on 10/26/2002 12:58:24 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: All
Damn the Democrats! Turn on the lights!
102 posted on 10/26/2002 12:59:20 PM PDT by forest
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To: Lowelljr
"...a one vote difference in a close election is possible. I think we feel that the vote would be lost for his party (just like voting for the communist/green/ect party)...no one can change ones pattern in the voting booth and I am afraid that just bitterness will overcome rational."

To the degree the Party agrees with you is the same degree that the Party will adjust their policies to attract the pro-liberty vote. (which is nil for now)

The extremes move the middle. Every 1% defection from Republican to pro-liberty 3rd party has enormous pull on the campaign promises (first) and later, actual policy.

103 posted on 10/26/2002 12:59:21 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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Source: Lp.org
104 posted on 10/26/2002 12:59:35 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: forest
Damn the Democrats! Turn on the lights!

The Republican cockroaches will scatter as well.

105 posted on 10/26/2002 1:01:10 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: Mark Felton
The extremes move the middle. Every 1% defection from Republican to pro-liberty 3rd party has enormous pull on the campaign promises (first) and later, actual policy.

I agree, what makes you so sure that pull will not be in the opposite dirrection you support. See the LP can be from either direction depending on how you see it (very liberal or unmorally conservative). Would a pull from the LP not support a more liberal shift instead of a conservative shift. Would a shift be away from the conservative strong hold of Christian Right Wing? Would Christian Right Wing not just form their own party canidates and futher devide the vote (which would help the liberal canidates ie. demos). What you propose is not cut and dry and the LP pull is more devicive that centralised in one direction.

106 posted on 10/26/2002 1:05:06 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: concerned about politics
"And how has the Libertarian president done? Oh. There's never been one!"

George Washington was the first pro-liberty President. So were the majority who came after him, until the Civil War.

107 posted on 10/26/2002 1:05:09 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
Every 1% defection from Republican to pro-liberty 3rd party has enormous pull on the campaign promises (first) and later, actual policy.

Not after you help get a Socialist dictator in place. The left actually had a petition in place to keep Clinton in office. With your help, maybe next election they'll be able to pull it off. Just call a few words in the Constitution "unfair to the voters." Or "The people have spoken."
It will be,thanks to the libertarian party, a new nation. The USSA.
The more libertarians that vote Libertarian, the more power the Democrats get.
Inch by inch,step by step. Libertarians refer to that as "patriotic." Hmmmmmm.What's wrong with this picture?

108 posted on 10/26/2002 1:09:25 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Your party endorses the tearing of the moral fabric that supports the constitution,

Yeah...this is where we disagree. The moral fabric that supports the constitution has been dead for some time now. Fundementally, I think its impossible to federally legislate that morality that you speak of back into the Republic...it ain't gonna happen. The bigger problem is that people have been conditioned to let the Nanny state make all the decisions for them and take the responsibility from them. When you give people choices, coupled with consequences, personal responsibility and accountability, a basic moral fabric is created. I could give examples of this...but they're obvious.

yet you use that Constitution to push it's death agenda as if you were patriots.

50+ years trampling on the Constitution producing an ever increasing federal bureacracy and intervention in the lives of its citizens has been the agenda of modern politics...not the "anarchist" LP's. Perhaps we're so used to being told what to do, how to think, when to eat-sleep-shit for so long, that we forgot how to think for ourselves and make our own choices.

The anti-American comment was uncalled for.

109 posted on 10/26/2002 1:09:45 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: concerned about politics
I'm saying right now government should work to change the hearts and minds of the American people and get them thinking moral again.


Funny . . . when I grew up, I was taught that was the purview of my parents and my Church. I cannot seem to find teaching or enforcing morality as a task assigned to government anywhere in the Constitution. Nor is the teaching of morality outlined in the writings of any of the Founding Fathers as a task desirable for the federal government. But, if government is to so, like everyone else, I want them to teach MY moral convictions, not anyone else's. If you do not agree with that, tough cookies!

Do you see a problem with that concept yet? :-)


You'll have to find another to use as your medium to push your agenda. Your crap won't work on me. Find another. You're wasting your time.


Okay. Will do.

But, if you have been following my writing for the past many years, you may realize that my point of view is not Democratic, Libertarian or Republican. When I started writing, I decided to take the perspective of the Founding Fathers and stick with strictly Constitutional issues.

So, whether you agree with me or not, be advised that I am attempting to convey the viewpoint that was intended to be the supreme law of our land and nothing else.

110 posted on 10/26/2002 1:19:35 PM PDT by Doug Fiedor
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Yeah...this is where we disagree. The moral fabric that supports the constitution has been dead for some time now.

And how did that happen?
Those things that went in the right direction for America, those things that lead to life, liberty, prosperity, and happiness, were replaced by liberalism indoctrination. God was eliminated from the consciousness. Now, there is no right or wrong. All sin is "Constitutional", as long as it doesn't hurt a libertarian or left winger.
They called it "freedom of choice". Their choice led to the demise of America from within.
Where did unwed mothers come from? It used to be a bad thing.
Where did welfare come from? People used to frown on pan handlers.
Where did SS fraud come from? Work ethics used to be important.
Where did Aids come from ? It was brought to America through the homosexual crowd. They used to keep these people confined for the saftey of the innocent.
Where did food stamps, Free housing, free clothing, free medical, free legal come from?
All these things came from liberalism and it's "chosen lifestyle protected by the Constitution". Every one. People started to fall like flies. They became hungry, homeless, infected and plagued. They had their children unfed and dieing. All hope was failing. Someone had to help. Presto. The Federal Government - "For the social welfare." Yet, the libertarian party refers to it as a good thing. And they bitch because that which they helped create has left all this for the next generation. Shouldn't they be condemming themselves before they condemn Republicans for being nice enough to try to clean it up?

111 posted on 10/26/2002 1:26:59 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Doug Fiedor
Do you see a problem with that concept yet? :-)

No. The simple power of suggestion works wonders. There's no need to force anyone. The truth will set them free.

112 posted on 10/26/2002 1:30:00 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: forest
By instilling socialism in the United States, the Democrats intend to usurp our freedom. As an instant correction by peaceful means, we should all vote straight Republican next month. Then, we can cull out the bad Republicans in the next primary election.

Amen!

The Democratic Party is simply the Party of tyranny.

It must be defeated on all levels.

113 posted on 10/26/2002 1:33:07 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: concerned about politics
God was eliminated from the consciousness. Now, there is no right or wrong. All sin is "Constitutional", as long as it doesn't hurt a libertarian or left winger.

I don't buy that. There's always been right and wrong; right and wrong have been around for a long long time. Thats like saying that there are people out there that really believe that abortion is, in any case right. Thats a bunch of BS...deep down they know its wrong, they have to...its part of being human, they may spout intellectual rhetoric trying to JUSTIFY their action and RELIEVE themself from the responsibility of killing a human being...but it is wrong, and they know it. And thats just what government has done throughout the years, its JUSTIFIED reasons for people to reap the benefits of federally sponsored welfare programs, federally sponsored speical interests, and other federally sponsored ponzi schemes so that they are RELIEVED of responsibility of their actions; because you and me pay for it, indirectly. Liberal support feeds on this concept...not the LP, as you have stated.

All these things came from liberalism and it's "chosen lifestyle protected by the Constitution"...Yet, the libertarian party refers to it as a good thing. And they bitch because that which they helped create has left all this for the next generation.

Again, a federally sponsored and funded "chosen lifestyle" is alot different than a "chosen lifestyle" free from public funding and responsibility...and I argue that there would be alot less "alternative" lifestyles to deal with in this scenario.

Shouldn't they be condemming themselves before they condemn Republicans for being nice enough to try to clean it up?

LMAO! NICE enough? Yeah..trying to clean it up with more and more failing, interventionist government programs...where tax burden increases and civil liberties decrease.

114 posted on 10/26/2002 2:10:03 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: forest
Straight ticket republican here!
115 posted on 10/26/2002 2:13:22 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Lowelljr; Ff--150
You then vote for "gun control radical" by electing Demos.

Tell me then, would you vote for someone who said,

"Police work is hard enough already. No one should make it harder. I think it’s wrong to let people carry concealed weapons"
or an automatic and semiautomic weapons
"While I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, I simply cannot accept that in modern America you need an AK-47 to defend your family."
or how about
"I believe Americans want their presidents to be inspiring, effective and confident…and determined to ensure the safety of our kids on the streets and in their schools—even if it means having the guts to stand up to the gun lobby."
Well would you? These statements are 'radical' by any conservative's opinion
116 posted on 10/26/2002 2:20:03 PM PDT by billbears
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To: Dan from Michigan
Just voted too. Straight Republican ticket. Jeb and straight down the line. By the way, also voted against Florida Supreme Court Justices Anstead and Wells. They were part of the Gore gang of thieves. Took a couple of republican friends with me, too. Feels good to do your civic duty.
117 posted on 10/26/2002 2:21:12 PM PDT by rep-always
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Again, a federally sponsored and funded "chosen lifestyle" is alot different than a "chosen lifestyle" free from public funding and responsibility...

One leads to the other. Once the nation is plagued, uneducated, naked, deaf, dumb, and blinded by the liberal lifestyle, there's nowhere else to go.
God and his church has been removed from the public relm. "Separation of church and state." Liberals and Libertarians have seen to that, so the government has all the power over the lost. Good idea,wasn't it?

LMAO! NICE enough? Yeah..trying to clean it up with more and more failing, interventionist government programs...where tax burden increases and civil liberties decrease.

So wouldn't it have been nice if morality had been supported in the past,and liberalism and it's "chosen" failures condemed instead? Shouldn't we at least try to stop it now?
Simply removing government now, while the damned are still collecting followers, would cause chaos.
It's time to start teaching the consequences of certain actions. - OPPS! can't do that. That's what the Bible teaches. There are consequences to certain actions. We all know it's politically incorrect and "unconstitutional" to teach anything Biblically correct.
So, how do we clean America up? Starting to get rid of the liberal lifestyle would be a good start. Go to the problems source. "Keep an eye on the nickles and dimes,and the dollars will take care of themselves."

118 posted on 10/26/2002 2:26:35 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
"Not after you help get a Socialist dictator in place. "

That's a very old, tired and utterly false "bogeyman" you erect.

The socialist Clinton came into office, and what happened?? Newt Gingrich used the outrage of the people to reclaim the House. A major victory for the anti-socialists.

The only problem was that the socialist Republican party did not like that at all so they kicked the "revolutionaries" out.

Tthe Party leaders do not want pro-liberty folks like me. Their agenda is proof.

You can whine to me all you like. You've already whored your vote to them, and didn't even ask for money.

My vote does not come as cheaply as yours. I've learned not to believe them when they say they'll still "love" me in the morning, Nov 6th.

Enjoy your fantasy, you'll only get foreplay and smooth talk until Nov 5th, then you'll get the shaft.

119 posted on 10/26/2002 2:40:11 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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Tthe Party leaders do not want pro-liberty folks like me.

Let's just say that maybe they don't want folks like you and leave it at that.

120 posted on 10/26/2002 2:43:47 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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